No bro this US war in the middle east will be completely different, bro. See, this time the regime we’re trying to get rid of is REALLY BAD!

No no, this is nothing like all those other times. This time military interventionism to topple an oil-rich government in west Asia will lead to peace and democracy. Our soldiers will be greeted as liberators!

You don’t understand, bro. This time the government and the media are telling us the truth! This time the regime really IS committing mass atrocities and they really ARE trying to build weapons of mass destruction.

I know you think this will be a disaster like all those other US military interventions in the region, but you see, unlike all those other times, this time there are many foreign policy analysts from highly respected think tanks and mass media outlets assuring us that it will go perfectly fine.

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      This is whitewashing the American empire . The American empire has it own reasons for attacking Iran like I said the American elites and massive international companies always profited from wars like the Iraq war and having control of the straight of Hormuz would be used weapons Russia and China

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        At some point leftists are going to have to swallow that there is no American geopolitical interest and the only reason Trump is threatening to blow up oil prices worldwide during an incredibly precarious time for the US and global economy is Israel.

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          American imperialism is over 170 years older then the creation of the terrorist state of Israel . You are unconsciously white washing the American empire

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            American imperialism has been fully hijacked and infiltrated. American imperialism in the Middle East hasn’t served American interests since the 2000’s. Should have been blatantly obvious to anyone when Israel bombed Qatar.

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              Again the USA elites, the military industrial complex and international massive corporations always made money from middle east wars . Seems like you believe the elite ever cared about the American people The USA never cared about it’s allies either it always backstab them when it benefits the elites. If Israel has full control on the USA Trump would just give Gaza to Israel completely instead of doing business and try to enrich himself with his stupid “peace” deal and board of “peace”

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                Small cutbacks exist everywhere but the point of imperialism is to steal something. Yes endless wars are fun for the MIC but if they wanted free money they could send those weapons to Ukraine and look like the good guys instead of destroying the entire sham liberal world order charade they spent decades building up.

                Once again, nobody will ever be able to explain why Israel was allowed to bomb Qatar, which is basically fully subscribed to US weapons and protections so this would never happen. Israel on the other hand isn’t like other countries in the region. Israel gets free US money. And they are even allowed to spend the US weapons money on their own weapons instead of the American MIC. This destroys the argument that this is all about maximizing profits for the American MIC.

                Of course we also need to ignore Epstein, AIPAC and all the other Zionist lobbies for the argument of “realpolitk” to make sense.

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                  if they wanted free money they could send those weapons to Ukraine

                  Why benefiting from one war when you can benefits for multiple

                  destroying the entire sham liberal world order charade they spent decades building up.

                  The whole west agree with all American foreign policies how attacking Iran would ruin anything in the liberal world order?

                  Once again, nobody will ever be able to explain why Israel was allowed to bomb Qatar

                  After the attack the USA promised more investment and defense cooperation with Qatar

                  Israel on the other hand isn’t like other countries in the region. Israel gets free US money.

                  Nothing is free. If it help counter China and Russia interests then from an American imperialism perspective it is totally worth it

                  they are even allowed to spend the US weapons money on their own weapons instead of the American MIC

                  Major military projects are co-funded by the USA and Israel

                  Of course we also need to ignore Epstein, AIPAC and all the other Zionist lobbies for the argument of “realpolitk” to make sense.

                  Aipac is fully funded by American Zionists not Israeli Zionists. The Epstein files has ton of dirt on Israel there is a reason why Biden didn’t try to release them and that Netanyahu tried to distance Israel from Epstein. If true what Netenyahu is waiting to force Trump to allow official annexation of the west bank with the files?

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                    Why benefiting from one war when you can benefits for multiple

                    Israel is making the US MIC peanuts compared to Ukraine. Israel is also wasting massive amounts of the US interceptor stockpile to the points the US cut the 12 day war short because it was getting very low. Whereas Ukraine is expandable to the US (which is weird because they’re so close to Russia so according to realpolitik the US should see them as very important) we all know that the US would do anything to save Israel, in a region filled to the brim with US backed dictators.

                    The whole west agree with all American foreign policies how attacking Iran would ruin anything in the liberal world order?

                    Attacking Iran could destroy the global economy with soaring oil prices and everyone is going along with it. We both know who has been pushing the US to bomb Iran for 30 years. In the words of the man himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8TxOwYte0

                    After the attack the USA promised more investment and defense cooperation with Qatar

                    Qatar finalized an already ongoing deal deal with the US but they now looking at into Chinese and Turkish alternatives for planes and interceptors.

                    Nothing is free. If it help counter China and Russia interests then from an American imperialism perspective it is totally worth it

                    Actually it is free. Ukraine and other countries get forced into taking US loans. Israel literally gets everything for free. Also it doesn’t protect the region at all. Stuff like the overthrowing of Assad using Saudi proxies was done without Israel. Saudi, Jordan, Egypt and UAE are far better lapdogs for the US in the region.The US also has like 100 military bases in every country region already. (Except of course inside Israel which wants to stay independent of the US)

                    Major military projects are co-funded by the USA and Israel

                    But they’re not. They are funded by the USA. Israel even gets the free money as a lump sum at the start of the year (the amount of Israeli exceptions to every US rule is crazy) and then Israel loans it back to the US so the US pays interest over their own money. Then they do stuff like this “Israel’s armaments independence must become a national goal

                    If true what Netenyahu is waiting to force Trump to allow official annexation of the west bank with the files?

                    He just did that last week lmao. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5x2l3v0qo