Support for violence to resist feminism was highest among adolescent boys (28%), followed closely by adolescent girls (21%).
Perhaps most alarming: roughly 40% of boys aged 13 to 17 agreed that women lie about domestic and sexual violence.
These results raise crucial questions going forward. We don’t yet know how these views have changed over time, whether they are on the rise and what the links are between violent extremism and the negative treatment of women.
Lemmy’s gender-imbalance is clear in the comment section of this thread. We’re getting some variety of opinions, but a pretty obviously narrow frame of reference - and that kind of sucks.
Every now and then we’re reminded that a large number of people on lemmy were kicked off of Reddit because they were gamergate type people.
I see comments ranging across the spectrum. Some uncritically accepting the interpretations in the article and calling the respondents nazis, others questioning the research methodology such as how exactly those survey questions were phrased and whether the response simply boils down to negating an absolute.
That might be called many things, but I wouldn’t call it a narrow frame of reference.
Call it whatever you like. In my post I said we had a variety of opinions but a narrow frame of reference. Maybe there’s a better choice of words, I don’t know. But I think it’s is bleedingly obviously that there are few, if any, women posting in this thread. That’s all I’m talking about.
I’m not talking about specific views, or type of pushback, or argument, or saying anyone is ‘wrong’, or anything like that. The men here clearly have different backgrounds and values - but they are still all commenting on this issue from a male frame of reference. That imbalance is very clear to me while reading the comments. I think it is probably clear to you as well. And I personally think it is unhealthy for the community to have such a large gender imbalance.
There is a lot more than could be said about this, but all I’m saying right now is I can see a large gender imbalance in this thread, and I don’t think that’s a good thing.
I’m guessing you didn’t see any of the comments overreacting to the misleading statistic instead of questioning the methodology and deceptive reporting, and accusing all these survey respondents of being woman-haters and nazis instead of considering the fact that responding “no” would imply an absolute statement (“it never happens”) while a yes could mean anything from “it sometimes happens” to “it always happens”?
I’m not assuming anybody’s gender, but you say you think there’s an imbalance, so I’m providing some counterexamples to the assumptions you’re making.
What do you think the overall gender balance is on the fediverse? Is it just this thread where you notice an imbalance? I typically don’t ask people about their gender, but if I had to guess I’d say most communities skew at least a little towards being mostly men.
I’m not saying that’s a good or a bad thing. To be honest, I wouldn’t mind if more women were active on the fediverse. I think that would be a good thing. But then again I wouldn’t be surprised if most women on lemmy/piefed keep their gender hidden in order to avoid having their inbox flooded, and I don’t blame them.
There are a few prevalent users who are open about being women, some who even have their faces in their profile pictures. I don’t know why. They must be brave, or maybe have their inboxes closed. But I for one appreciate the anonymity. I try to avoid letting my online presence be traceable to my person. This is the internet, after all.
But outside of women-specific communities, even accounting for women who don’t reveal their gender, I doubt most instances have an even gender balance. And I don’t know how you could realisticly achieve that without somehow compelling women to participate in communities that they’re not even interested in. This isn’t a nightclub where the bouncers turn away men to keep their ratios pristine.
the problem with gender crap like this is people typically have their own frame of reference of one sex is bad, the other good, and interpret everything through that lens.
they fail to see that either sex can be shitty. and that gender war stuff just reinforces and inflates people’s generalizations about the other sex. 10 years ago people didn’t think this way other than extremists… now it seems the majority of people have adopted extremist sexist positions thank to social media shit.
i blame identity politics. people see each other as a gender first and foremost, and forget that gender is just one aspect of life and that everyone is a person.
Yeah, that’s why it’s called a “gender war.” But if you criticize it in the wrong spaces, you’ll have a dozen feminists jumping down your throat about how “there’s no gender war! That’s just made-up manosphere propaganda!” While they go on making generalizations about men, and if you say that’s a generalization they’ll go “nOt AlL mEn!!1!” sarcastically as if they’re making a point.
But that only applies when you talk about “gender war” in the context of criticizing misandry and generalizations about men. If you bring up “gender war” to criticize misogyny and generalizations about women, in those same spaces, you’ll get those same feminists commiserating with you and saying things like “I feel that, sister, men are such evil swine!”
It’s pointless, and yes, social media directly contributed to this radicalization, polarization, and normalization of extremism over the past decade or so.
I hold that people are people and sex/gender doesn’t matter. So basically everyone hates me. I love it.
Everyone just wants to use their ‘victimhood’ to be a shithead these days.
Yeah, it’s “choose a side or else you’ll be treated like you’re on the other side.”
Socially-enforced campism, basically. In my view, extremists on both sides are deplorable. Misandry and misogyny are both wrong, and saying that doesn’t make me a hypocrite.
But I’ll never win the oppression olympics, so why would I even try to compete?