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“Yes I support Palestine and landback for Palestine EXCEPT all groups doing violent resistance are stupid.” okay so you dont. you really dont bruv. whatever sentiment u have means nothing if ur gonna couple it with that ill be so real
are Palestinians gonna peacefully protest then? they tried all that shit. only violence is the answer
Yep. They tried peacefully protesting. They tried doing the Great March of Return. All that got them is “Israeli” snipers shooting out the knees of unarmed protesters. They’ve been trying to appeal to the so-called “international community” for over 70 years, and it all fell on deaf ears. The genocide, occupation and ethnic cleansing continued unabated. At some point even the most peaceful person has to realize that when all non-violent options are exhausted you have no choice but to fight. What the West really wants is for them to lay down and die, but they’re not going to do that anymore.
i bring a “im not condemning maduro’s kidnapping or iran war on legal grounds, i condemn it on entirely separate lines” vibe to the function libs refuse to understand. and a “him being a draft dodger that doesn’t respect vets is actually the only based position he has ever held” vibe that they condemn me for since im breaking Left Unity (zohran voters and hillary stans)
I don’t really get the “trump draft dodging is good” thing. He did it for selfish reasons, and then some other poor soul got drafted in his place. He’s another chicken hawk and it shows how protected the wealthy are from the law. Maybe I’m taking it too seriously, but it feels like bad logic to me
i think draft dodging that war whether for totally selfish reasons or not was still ultimately a moral act
i dont care that he got to do it easier cuz he’s wealthy, or that he did it just to avoid getting skewered by a vietnamese guerrilla. ultimately he didn’t go there and kill kids and get that on his hands, nor proudly boast about it years later as a badge as an amerikkkan politician. like, yeah he’s not a moral guy and he didn’t do it on moral grounds but still like the draft dodging for me is at least absolutely not a sin, and at best it’s pretty based in result (one less footsoldier giving his life to spray agent orange and deform generations of children).
is it easy for me to say and maybe a bit hypocritical, yes, and i guess i can give the draftees some scarce leeway because there was some more plausible deniability in that period but like, i don’t hate him for draft dodging. other than that he has blood on his hands from all sorts of things and this is a rare exception methinks. willing to take back this position i guess but honestly, i still wouldn’t say draft dodging vietnam war in any case was morally Wrong (or, better for this explanation, Worse) compared to alternative of going there and complying with all of your orders
I just feel like it exemplifies a lot of our problems with the whole system. The rich declare the wars but don’t fight them themselves. I’m not saying it wouldve been right if they did (see: Rome, medieval Europe), just that it is a good example of everything wrong with the system.
Although I’m coming to realize I don’t particularly care for “morality.” I’m not a vulgar materialist or ultra-leftist, i just feel like it’s like arguing about whether it would be better for unstable atoms to do B+ or B- decay. You can’t just say it ought to decay in one way or another, but that it’d be better if it did, and for it to do so you need to put it in certain circumstances. If that makes sense