Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.
Right, the Gaza Genocide isn’t US Politics… Those aren’t US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.
What a joke.
I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.
For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206
The second article about US media’s complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide… do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919
The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics???
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don’t even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.
Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.
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Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)
But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.
It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.
- Mehdi Hasan
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza
Weird, considering a majority of the are fully okay in supporting it. Hell even Kamala fully embraced it to not hurt Biden
They did not support genocide. They support Israel as a nation and there is a difference.
Too many people honestly believe Netanyahu is capable of acting in good faith, you and I both know he’s not, but that’s not going to stop those who support Israel.
This bullshit is support for genocide.
No, it is not. The majority of the US who support Israel do it for bullshit faith based reasons, not bullshit genocidal reasons.
I agree, the base reasoning is still bullshit, but it’s not based on genocide.
You misunderstand. The bullshit you posted was support for genocide on your part.
My post history attacking genocide and my mod history removing genocide denialism is quite clear.
Can’t have people denying your party’s greatest victory.
They did and still do.
https://www.972mag.com/biden-harris-democrats-israel-genocide/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/20/biden-gaza-not-genocide-israel-00159020
Yes that’s why they still keep sad the bombs are for the defensive massacres of civilians
Campaigning for an end to violence and a two state solution is not supporting genocide. Try again.
Supplying and assisting the country committing a genocide is supporting a genocide. Especially when breaking laws to continue doing it.
Why, it’s not like you are actually going to change your mind or accept facts. This and the previous threads make that absolutely clear
You are correct, I’m not changing my mind because I am correct. Supplying Israel is not the same thing as supporting genocide. The improper use of our support is the fault of ISRAEL. Not the United States.
If I give someone $100 for groceries, and they blow it on booze, I’m not supporting their alcoholism. That’s on them for mis-spending my honestly given support.
The problem is US politicians are stuck thinking “Hey, maybe THIS time it will be different! Give them a little more!” and it never is.
But that doesn’t change the fact that the support is NOT being given with the purpose of continuing the genocide.
Which is a wild stance when even your analogy isn’t a correct equivalence.
The usa is literally giving them the weapon and cover in UN to keep committing the genocide.
Hey you finally see how it relates to usa politics!
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/why-wont-u.s.-politicians-say-genocide
Correct, and until the genocide is US policy, which it never will be, discussions about Israel’s illegal actions belong in !world@lemmy.world and not !politics@lemmy.world
You do get it!
But support of it and Israel is us policy. So yes it should be allowed
Stop acting like an idiot. Don’t talk about things you don’t understand
It’s not an act, he’s an idiot.
It’s super hard, you actually have to pay attention to what people say and remember it for later reference.
https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3273&context=parameters
"As a sovereign state and UN member, Israel has the right to use military force to defend itself from an armed attack. Article 51 of the UN Charter makes this right abundantly clear, and self-defense is perhaps the least contested legal basis for a state resorting to military force. Article 51 reads:
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.”5
So when Biden, or Harris, or Schumer or anyone else said they needed funding for Israel’s defense, that is what they were talking about.
The problem, as you and I both know, is that Israel has gone beyond defense, but nobody is willing to rein them in.
When pro-genocide centrists know they’re wrong, they get condescending.
They’re never not condescending.
I’m condescending to those who deserve it.
Awwww, did I hurt your fee fees?
Murder is bad. Jesus Christ. Act like an adult.
If people respond like adults, they get an adult response, few and far between with the PTB crowd.
It is palestinians, lebanese and iranians who has the right to resist a country who threatening the whole region . Those are the countries who should be funded not the terrorist state of Israel. The genocide convention say that any country who signed it should do everything to stop it. Biden and Trump is giving them bellion to commit it. You are just an idiot. Israel right to self defense ended after the day of october 7 since Hamas offered the rrturn of the hostage from the beginning in exchange of the Palestinians hostages
International law (specifically UN General Assembly Resolution 3070) affirms the right of peoples under colonial and foreign domination to struggle for self-determination "by all available means, including armed struggle
I don’t personally disagree, I’m explaining to you the rationale of the people repeatedly voting to fund the defense of Israel.
The reason they do so is that the United States was fundamental in the creation and recognition of the state of Israel, and as a result, doesn’t feel responsible for the defense of those other states.
There is no rational in voting for a settler colonial power who’s goal is to exterminate sll people thst are not jews from the land they claims god gave to them. How about helping sudan for example over Israel?
If I’m being brutally honest? When it comes to the American system of government? Israelis are white people. Really, it’s just deep seated racism, again.
Americans are fucking awful about that. We would rather suffer without universal health care than allow minorities to get help.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html
Which explains everything about your bad faith pro-genocide moderation.