I can barely understand the expectation this will just blow over.
These programs turn whatever you have into whatever you describe… even if you have nothing. If you actually provide an animatic, a pre-vis pass, or stand-ins acting it out, it’ll follow those, and work better. The less you ask for, the more it can do. Its shortcomings keep dwindling and the models keep shrinking. Sora shut down because this tech has moved on to local models running near real-time.
That’s gonna revolutionize Hollywood the way refrigerators revolutionized selling ice for iceboxes.
Disney doesn’t benefit because they have the money to do things the hard way. Most people don’t. So a filter that turns cardboard sets into sci-fi blinkenlights is useful to plenty of people with no hope of securing a two-comma budget. It will let them make art that would otherwise be gatekept by capital. People might excuse any gap in quality knowing the thing otherwise would not exist. And that gap will shrink. Hollywood will find itself competing with manic weirdos, like print publishers who could no longer pick which comics and stories get read.
Cocteau said film will only become art when it’s as cheap as pencil and paper. Digital cameras have brought us pretty close, but you can’t point your iPhone at an incidental space battle. Conversely: Kraus said everyone has a book in them, and in most cases that’s where it should stay. The first wave of popular use here is already rude fanfiction. But the stories the average person can tell, in motion, have now massively expanded. They can’t all be Fruit Love Island.
Which is the entire ideology of the cult around AI.
Y’all want a world that gives you nothing you ask for while we are powerless to do anything about it.
You are wrong, or at least you are wrong to identify your beliefs as in the realm of rationality or science, what you are espousing are a set of religious beliefs in the power of AI that there is zero evidence AI will ever fulfill and damn if it isn’t a lame and depressingly cynical religion.
It is clear when dealing with folks from your cult that proving AI is shit and that it has fundamental problems and limitations is irrelevant to the world view of the cult as it just proves to whatever particular cultist you are talking to that whatever particular subbranch of the cult they are on is the True Sect unlike the other subbranches stuck on the old teachings that aren’t really magical… and that the REAL AGI is just around the corner and this is a distraction.
It is the same nonsense problem you get when you start proclaiming dates for the end of the world in your religion and they keep inconveniently passing by without the world ending. To maintain your delusion you must divide up the religion and say “oh it was that Sect over there that was wrong, we have the true knowledge!”. Rinse Repeat.
I am fine with you having different spiritual beliefs then me just don’t waste everyones’ time by trying to force people into thinking your religion is reality.
No one cares who isn’t already part of your cult.
Sora shut down because this tech has moved on to local models running near real-time.
No, Sora shut down because AI is a bullshit business model that doesn’t produce anything consistently of useful value other than the obsfucation of theft or responsibility while it consumes a vast amount of resources to accomplish what a moderate amount of humans with food, water, shelter and love could make far more efficiently and with far more soul.
I regularly hear normal people describe shitty, fake things that come off hollow as “like AI”, you can see how much of a false future AI is in how little people like what it makes almost as a rule. The reason normal people hate AI is because it is so suffocatingly often a boring black box that spits out sloppy unoriginal crap chopped up from stolen human labor, something most normal people are used to identifying in the hollow structures of society around them.
The only “cult” around AI is the anti-AI cult. The rest of us just acknowledge the reality that AI is now an everyday tool to use, and it’s revolutionising the world at a break-neck pace. It’s turning entire industries on their heads, doing in minutes for a handful of dollars what a year ago took 300 people millions of dollars to do.
The genie is out of the bottle, and it’s not going back in ever again. The genie is only going to get more powerful by leaps and bounds. The anti-AI crowd are going to be left behind, unemployed, and even worse for them - unemployable.
The rest of us just acknowledge the reality that AI is now an everyday tool to use, and it’s revolutionising the world at a break-neck pace.
Except it isn’t? Most of us who don’t worship techbros like you don’t think highly of the quality of output of AI, it has become common parlance for people to describe fake and hollow feeling things as “like AI” and I agree with the aesthetic label, y’all are just too blind to see it while you try to force it down our throats. We are in amid a massive economic bubble with AI that is about to burst given that almost no AI companies are profitable and they consume an incredible amount of energy.
You are fantasizing about a religion, great, you can believe in whatever you want but stop making a clown out of yourself by pretending what you are espousing isn’t a set of religious beliefs with no hard evidence to support the magical thinking they demand.
I am describing how video-to-video models are better at ‘change this one thing’ than ‘make up a whole scene.’ It’s not metaphysics. It’s CGI for dummies.
Local models run on the same power draw as a video game, and some can process ten seconds of footage every five seconds. The best use - because ‘change this one thing’ works better - is processing things humans made the usual way. E.g., real actors on cardboard sets, and other things I actually said.
You’re having a much more contentious conversation inside your head. Please stop projecting traits you’d rather be arguing against, when someone points out, it does the thing it’s for. It demonstrably functions. You could make a coherent moral argument about how it was made - but you haven’t. You’ve railed against an imaginary frothing psychopath, because someone politely described utility.
How it was made is addressable, by the way. It’s fixable. There will be vegan models made from bespoke, licensed, and public-domain data. Will that change your opinion in any way? If not, that complaint is decorative.
Okay, here’s reality from the recent past: some guy recreated GPT-2 for $20. Same size, similar training data, equal performance. The original required VC funding. This guy spent pocket change. That was a year ago. That’s how much efficiency has already improved, for training these models. These assholes only spend billions because it’s exclusionary, and they’re all caught in a dollar auction to see who can lose the gentlest. I’m sorry any hypotheticals about that are incompatible with your moral crusade.
Meanwhile, it does the thing.
That’s not going to change and you kind of have to deal with it. We now have programs that just do what you ask, for any output that’s text, images, audio, or video. They often fuck up in horrifying ways. But they’re usually about what you asked for. Especially if you asked for very little. That’s quite useful where small changes are wildly complex, like ‘make this guy look like another guy.’ The robot won’t do it as good as a team of human professionals, but I don’t have a million dollars to hire a team of human professionals, and I’m betting you don’t either. You can still consider projects that involve making one guy look like another.
I can barely understand the expectation this will just blow over.
These programs turn whatever you have into whatever you describe… even if you have nothing. If you actually provide an animatic, a pre-vis pass, or stand-ins acting it out, it’ll follow those, and work better. The less you ask for, the more it can do. Its shortcomings keep dwindling and the models keep shrinking. Sora shut down because this tech has moved on to local models running near real-time.
That’s gonna revolutionize Hollywood the way refrigerators revolutionized selling ice for iceboxes.
Disney doesn’t benefit because they have the money to do things the hard way. Most people don’t. So a filter that turns cardboard sets into sci-fi blinkenlights is useful to plenty of people with no hope of securing a two-comma budget. It will let them make art that would otherwise be gatekept by capital. People might excuse any gap in quality knowing the thing otherwise would not exist. And that gap will shrink. Hollywood will find itself competing with manic weirdos, like print publishers who could no longer pick which comics and stories get read.
Cocteau said film will only become art when it’s as cheap as pencil and paper. Digital cameras have brought us pretty close, but you can’t point your iPhone at an incidental space battle. Conversely: Kraus said everyone has a book in them, and in most cases that’s where it should stay. The first wave of popular use here is already rude fanfiction. But the stories the average person can tell, in motion, have now massively expanded. They can’t all be Fruit Love Island.
Which is the entire ideology of the cult around AI.
Y’all want a world that gives you nothing you ask for while we are powerless to do anything about it.
You are wrong, or at least you are wrong to identify your beliefs as in the realm of rationality or science, what you are espousing are a set of religious beliefs in the power of AI that there is zero evidence AI will ever fulfill and damn if it isn’t a lame and depressingly cynical religion.
It is clear when dealing with folks from your cult that proving AI is shit and that it has fundamental problems and limitations is irrelevant to the world view of the cult as it just proves to whatever particular cultist you are talking to that whatever particular subbranch of the cult they are on is the True Sect unlike the other subbranches stuck on the old teachings that aren’t really magical… and that the REAL AGI is just around the corner and this is a distraction.
It is the same nonsense problem you get when you start proclaiming dates for the end of the world in your religion and they keep inconveniently passing by without the world ending. To maintain your delusion you must divide up the religion and say “oh it was that Sect over there that was wrong, we have the true knowledge!”. Rinse Repeat.
I am fine with you having different spiritual beliefs then me just don’t waste everyones’ time by trying to force people into thinking your religion is reality.
No one cares who isn’t already part of your cult.
No, Sora shut down because AI is a bullshit business model that doesn’t produce anything consistently of useful value other than the obsfucation of theft or responsibility while it consumes a vast amount of resources to accomplish what a moderate amount of humans with food, water, shelter and love could make far more efficiently and with far more soul.
I regularly hear normal people describe shitty, fake things that come off hollow as “like AI”, you can see how much of a false future AI is in how little people like what it makes almost as a rule. The reason normal people hate AI is because it is so suffocatingly often a boring black box that spits out sloppy unoriginal crap chopped up from stolen human labor, something most normal people are used to identifying in the hollow structures of society around them.
The only “cult” around AI is the anti-AI cult. The rest of us just acknowledge the reality that AI is now an everyday tool to use, and it’s revolutionising the world at a break-neck pace. It’s turning entire industries on their heads, doing in minutes for a handful of dollars what a year ago took 300 people millions of dollars to do.
The genie is out of the bottle, and it’s not going back in ever again. The genie is only going to get more powerful by leaps and bounds. The anti-AI crowd are going to be left behind, unemployed, and even worse for them - unemployable.
Except it isn’t? Most of us who don’t worship techbros like you don’t think highly of the quality of output of AI, it has become common parlance for people to describe fake and hollow feeling things as “like AI” and I agree with the aesthetic label, y’all are just too blind to see it while you try to force it down our throats. We are in amid a massive economic bubble with AI that is about to burst given that almost no AI companies are profitable and they consume an incredible amount of energy.
You are fantasizing about a religion, great, you can believe in whatever you want but stop making a clown out of yourself by pretending what you are espousing isn’t a set of religious beliefs with no hard evidence to support the magical thinking they demand.
Literally what are you talking about.
I am describing how video-to-video models are better at ‘change this one thing’ than ‘make up a whole scene.’ It’s not metaphysics. It’s CGI for dummies.
Local models run on the same power draw as a video game, and some can process ten seconds of footage every five seconds. The best use - because ‘change this one thing’ works better - is processing things humans made the usual way. E.g., real actors on cardboard sets, and other things I actually said.
Nope, this is a bullshitters tool for people with no talent who want to pretend there is a shortcut to making good art.
The tool you are obsessed with is just a way of convincing yourself you made something when it was stolen from other human artists.
Everybody else can see that but people who have drunk the Kool Aid of AI too hard to admit it to themselves.
You’re having a much more contentious conversation inside your head. Please stop projecting traits you’d rather be arguing against, when someone points out, it does the thing it’s for. It demonstrably functions. You could make a coherent moral argument about how it was made - but you haven’t. You’ve railed against an imaginary frothing psychopath, because someone politely described utility.
How it was made is addressable, by the way. It’s fixable. There will be vegan models made from bespoke, licensed, and public-domain data. Will that change your opinion in any way? If not, that complaint is decorative.
Stop referencing promises about the future to prove your point, you sound like a door-to-door salesperson.
Okay, here’s reality from the recent past: some guy recreated GPT-2 for $20. Same size, similar training data, equal performance. The original required VC funding. This guy spent pocket change. That was a year ago. That’s how much efficiency has already improved, for training these models. These assholes only spend billions because it’s exclusionary, and they’re all caught in a dollar auction to see who can lose the gentlest. I’m sorry any hypotheticals about that are incompatible with your moral crusade.
Meanwhile, it does the thing.
That’s not going to change and you kind of have to deal with it. We now have programs that just do what you ask, for any output that’s text, images, audio, or video. They often fuck up in horrifying ways. But they’re usually about what you asked for. Especially if you asked for very little. That’s quite useful where small changes are wildly complex, like ‘make this guy look like another guy.’ The robot won’t do it as good as a team of human professionals, but I don’t have a million dollars to hire a team of human professionals, and I’m betting you don’t either. You can still consider projects that involve making one guy look like another.
That utility is new and it’s not going anywhere.