Ok and where do you live buddy? It is ignorant to act like everybody in the military is there by choice. When the choice is to let your family starve and die of preventable disease, or join the war machine do you see that as a choice? Is letting your family die an option you keep on the table? 2 of my siblings would not be here today if not for my father’s health coverage in the military. Not everybody grew up in well to do families that had options, some took the only opportunities they had and to day that’s a choice is pure ignorance. This helps your children have a choice, instead of a grave stone. And the fascist movement in USA really has taken off in the last decade, go watch a George bush talk when he was president. He sounds like a lefty by todays standards with how far the Overton window has shifted. And no I am not justifying the endless stream of “military operations” the USA has partook in, but to compare what’s going on today to what military action looked like 20 years ago is just silly.
I said bush sounds like a lefty due to how much the Overton window has shifted. Are u blind to the right wing nationalism that has taken the USA? There are other jobs in not saying that. I’m not in the military. I also don’t have health care, and when I had jobs that offered the family plans were incredibly expensive. The military is sometimes just the only way your going to get healthcare for you kids, especially if you don’t have good education or other skills. I’m a mechanic and it’s hard to get a GOOD family plan without giving half your salary for it.
Wild conclusion that I’m ignorant of the rightward shift just because I said Bush doesn’t sound like a lefty. Doesn’t help your case that he never was one in the first place.
That’s kind of my whole point. Do you know what an Overton window is? Please listen to bush as president speak on immigration and then listen to fill in the blank current Republican talk about immigration policy. Bush sounds like a lefty by todays standards because we’re so far off the right I don’t know what direction is anymore
I am not justifying the endless stream of “military operations” the USA has partook in, but to compare what’s going on today to what military action looked like 20 years ago is just silly.
What do you actually know about Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Yugoslavia? Afghanistan? …
Only someone as privileged as a USian could say something so completely wrong.
If your trying to act like what is happening in the USA today is the same as 20 years ago I can only imagine the privelidge you must have to be so naive.
you’re either delusional or ridiculously uninformed.
in this case i don’t care if trump does silly shit within your borders.
the us has bombed countries back into the stone age for almost a century. and it’s always either about gaining control of resources or for “strategic purposes”.
apart from ww2 (in which they dropped a nuke on a country that was about to be defeated anyway) almost every war in the 20th and 21st century was just an unjustified massacre in places they had no reason to be in other than to swoop in and grab natural resources and plant a base. they haven’t defended themselves once and all the justifications they had to enter a war were the consequences of their own acting.
i implore you to read more about the atrocities your country committed.
It doesn’t matter whether i’m privileged or a victim of your murderous nation. the criticism would still be valid.
All too familiar with most of the atrocities although it’s hard to keep up. How am I delusional though? Do you live in the USA? Do you know how hard full family coverage with no deductable is to get? Do u know what it costs to keep a child with birth defects alive? Some people would pay any price. This whole comment thread started about how some people don’t really have a choice but to join the military.
You’re evidently okay with the atrocities being committed. You excuse the inflicting of suffering and devastation on non Americans for a selfish benefitting of the soldiers committing and abetting them directly, and moreover to the benefit of scumbag elites who are incentivized to continue perpetrating acts of aggression, crimes, and atrocities, placing profits over people as always.
Smedley Butler’s conclusions apply to every American soldier.
Rich of you to apply the conclusion of a decorated 34 year marine corps general… Who yes said soldiers are pawns for imperialism. It’s a rough life sacrificing your values to provide for your family, but if you bring people into this world you better take care of them.
if you bring people into this world you better take care of them.
Do you also apply this to people who bring families into the world and then must defend those families by killing US soldiers who have no business being there and are trying to kill them?
I don’t care about internal US bullishit (we were talking about US wars) but even in that area you’re wilfully ignorant McCarthyism, The deporter in chief, Guantanamo bay, Abu gharib (CIA black sites et al). You are clearly a very privileged person with a very loose grasp on history and reality.
While we’re on the tipic. Please explain to me how the extermination campaign in Korea (dropping more bombs on half an already small peninsula than were dropped in the Pacific theatre of WW2 as a whole, 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 of the population killed, all major farms and structures turned to rubble leaving the survivors living in caves) is not equivalent or honestly worse than the more recent atrocities. Or how about Vietnam still dealing with the after affects of the rainbow agents (agent orange etc.). Or the US collection of pet failed states like Libya. How about putting pinochet or the shah (aka the butcher) in power alongside the rest of their pet fascists of the day.
You are an arrogant uninformed privileged ass who needs to read some books and get in touch with reality.
Are you really going to talk about the bombing in Korea followed by the atrocities in Vietnam? Are you familiar with Korean war crimes and anti communist efforts in Vietnam? Ever heard of the phong nhi massacre? My point being is nobodies hands are clean. Most soldiers aren’t after blood, they just need to feed their family. I might be a little more clued in than you are …
Ok and where do you live buddy? It is ignorant to act like everybody in the military is there by choice. When the choice is to let your family starve and die of preventable disease, or join the war machine do you see that as a choice? Is letting your family die an option you keep on the table? 2 of my siblings would not be here today if not for my father’s health coverage in the military. Not everybody grew up in well to do families that had options, some took the only opportunities they had and to day that’s a choice is pure ignorance. This helps your children have a choice, instead of a grave stone. And the fascist movement in USA really has taken off in the last decade, go watch a George bush talk when he was president. He sounds like a lefty by todays standards with how far the Overton window has shifted. And no I am not justifying the endless stream of “military operations” the USA has partook in, but to compare what’s going on today to what military action looked like 20 years ago is just silly.
How many other people’s siblings aren’t there anymore because of what your father helped carry out?
Almost as if there are other jobs out there besides military. Or do those not count?
Also, the fact you think Bush sounds like a lefty further highlights your own sheer ignorance.
I said bush sounds like a lefty due to how much the Overton window has shifted. Are u blind to the right wing nationalism that has taken the USA? There are other jobs in not saying that. I’m not in the military. I also don’t have health care, and when I had jobs that offered the family plans were incredibly expensive. The military is sometimes just the only way your going to get healthcare for you kids, especially if you don’t have good education or other skills. I’m a mechanic and it’s hard to get a GOOD family plan without giving half your salary for it.
Wild conclusion that I’m ignorant of the rightward shift just because I said Bush doesn’t sound like a lefty. Doesn’t help your case that he never was one in the first place.
That’s kind of my whole point. Do you know what an Overton window is? Please listen to bush as president speak on immigration and then listen to fill in the blank current Republican talk about immigration policy. Bush sounds like a lefty by todays standards because we’re so far off the right I don’t know what direction is anymore
Every US soldier is an evil piece of shit.
What do you actually know about Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Yugoslavia? Afghanistan? …
Only someone as privileged as a USian could say something so completely wrong.
can´t add more to this. thx for saving me the headache of writing paragraphs.
If your trying to act like what is happening in the USA today is the same as 20 years ago I can only imagine the privelidge you must have to be so naive.
you’re either delusional or ridiculously uninformed.
in this case i don’t care if trump does silly shit within your borders. the us has bombed countries back into the stone age for almost a century. and it’s always either about gaining control of resources or for “strategic purposes”.
apart from ww2 (in which they dropped a nuke on a country that was about to be defeated anyway) almost every war in the 20th and 21st century was just an unjustified massacre in places they had no reason to be in other than to swoop in and grab natural resources and plant a base. they haven’t defended themselves once and all the justifications they had to enter a war were the consequences of their own acting.
i implore you to read more about the atrocities your country committed.
It doesn’t matter whether i’m privileged or a victim of your murderous nation. the criticism would still be valid.
All too familiar with most of the atrocities although it’s hard to keep up. How am I delusional though? Do you live in the USA? Do you know how hard full family coverage with no deductable is to get? Do u know what it costs to keep a child with birth defects alive? Some people would pay any price. This whole comment thread started about how some people don’t really have a choice but to join the military.
america sucks, america is hell and i heavily sympathise with people who don’t reap the benefits of a proper healtcare system.
as soon as you join the army you are an enemy and i hope for your demise as you become part of the imperialism machine.
you are disgusting for promoting killing and maiming people for healthcare benefits or a camaro.
death to america
You’re evidently okay with the atrocities being committed. You excuse the inflicting of suffering and devastation on non Americans for a selfish benefitting of the soldiers committing and abetting them directly, and moreover to the benefit of scumbag elites who are incentivized to continue perpetrating acts of aggression, crimes, and atrocities, placing profits over people as always.
Smedley Butler’s conclusions apply to every American soldier.
Rich of you to apply the conclusion of a decorated 34 year marine corps general… Who yes said soldiers are pawns for imperialism. It’s a rough life sacrificing your values to provide for your family, but if you bring people into this world you better take care of them.
Do you also apply this to people who bring families into the world and then must defend those families by killing US soldiers who have no business being there and are trying to kill them?
Take care of them by…? Taking out other families in other countries?
That doesn’t change the fact you support all the above.
I don’t care about internal US bullishit (we were talking about US wars) but even in that area you’re wilfully ignorant McCarthyism, The deporter in chief, Guantanamo bay, Abu gharib (CIA black sites et al). You are clearly a very privileged person with a very loose grasp on history and reality.
While we’re on the tipic. Please explain to me how the extermination campaign in Korea (dropping more bombs on half an already small peninsula than were dropped in the Pacific theatre of WW2 as a whole, 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 of the population killed, all major farms and structures turned to rubble leaving the survivors living in caves) is not equivalent or honestly worse than the more recent atrocities. Or how about Vietnam still dealing with the after affects of the rainbow agents (agent orange etc.). Or the US collection of pet failed states like Libya. How about putting pinochet or the shah (aka the butcher) in power alongside the rest of their pet fascists of the day.
You are an arrogant uninformed privileged ass who needs to read some books and get in touch with reality.
Are you really going to talk about the bombing in Korea followed by the atrocities in Vietnam? Are you familiar with Korean war crimes and anti communist efforts in Vietnam? Ever heard of the phong nhi massacre? My point being is nobodies hands are clean. Most soldiers aren’t after blood, they just need to feed their family. I might be a little more clued in than you are …
You truly are despicable or the most complete idiot I have ever seen.
How about trying to actually answer the question posed instead of further projection?