I don’t like this at all. For multiple reasons. For one, everyone should be allowed freedom to travel without their fucking governments permission. Fuck that. You don’t own me. I’m not your property.
Also don’t like that it insinuates the need for more military personnel. Aka potential war.
And fuck if it ain’t my shit hole country that’s causing this to happen to our once-allies…
They clearly shouldn’t have chosen to be born in Germany if they don’t like it.
That does not sound consistent with EU regulation, that should guarantee free movement within EU.
While the law requires men to request the permit, the [army] spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.”
"Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. (…)
When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed out that "the regulation was already in place during the Cold War and had no practical relevance; in particular, there are no penalties for violating it.”
Yeah I was just on a german thread and people kept talking about this as if it was actually penalized. People really need to read more beyond the headline so thank you for putting this there
This seems surreal, is it real?
That’s a rather standard thing in any country with compulsory military service. Typically you get that done with right when you’re 18-year-old and then you’re free to travel.
In Finland it’s handled so that you cannot get a passport before you either finish your military service or have turned 30. That meant that when I wanted to travel with my brother outside the EU before they were 30, we were limited to countries such as Albania and Georgia that allow entry with just an ID card. (And also, had we wanted to destroy the climate by flying, we would have needed to fly the flight out from the Schengen area from some other country than Finland!)
Which makes sense but Germany doesn’t have compulsory mil service. Yet. I guess this is a step in that direction.
Germany suspended compulsory military service about two decades ago but the laws are still in the books.
Now they want to increase troop count again, for now by hoping for more volunteers, but reinstating conscription is likely if the numbers don’t meet expectations.This law one isn’t actually new either but afaik it used to only apply during a “case of defense” (ie war) or a “case of tension”. As I understand, that prerequisite has been removed.
I think it does. At least I kept hearing “als ich mein Zivi gemacht hab” when I lived there. Most people elect to serve in the form of civil service instead, but civil service is a type of military service (as weird as that sounds).
But maybe it’s very easy avoiding the whole thing altogether? I don’t know all that precisely, really. My “military service” was done in the form of civil service in a children daycare centre by the time I moved to Germany. And I’ve never been a German citizen anyhow.
Yes that was the case until 2010/11ish, when we got rid of compulsory military/civil service. I still had to do it after finishing high school in 2010, but it was sort of not enforced anymore. People born a few months after myself, didn’t have to do anything anymore.
And that’s how it should be! It should be mandatory, and we should have it in the US too. Two years once you turn 18. Get people out of their local bubbles and show them what the world is like, make them useful citizens.
USA is only waging wars of aggression. It would be horrible forcing people to that shit, IMO.
In Finland or Germany it’s very different because our armies exist strictly for self defence. When the US military should see military action, is decided in D.C.
But when the Finnish military should see military is decided in Moscow.
If your wars are something you fan decide about, it would be extremely immoral having compulsory military service.
In countries that cannot decide when to not have a war, it’s immoral to not have compulsory military service, as that would mean only the poorest having to bear the brunt of the war.
In Finland or Germany it’s very different because our armies exist strictly for self defence.
How self defensive of them to occupy Afghanistan…
…and Iraq, true.
Though, at least Finland sent the absolute minimum to both of those shitstorms, and that only after being blackmailed by USA. But zero conscripts were sent to either one. Especially the shit about Iraq is something I am really angry about.
Weird how militarized nationalism still has any fans or supporters, but you do you I guess. I hope you’re glad your guy is in office.
Passports are a violation of Human Rights, given how their purposes to be denied so that people cannot travel
Well, the purpose is to be denied by the foreign country. Or, to be accepted by it, depending on your perspective.
Typically your own country doesn’t (shouldn’t) care of shit about your passport, because according to the declaration of human rights, you are allowed to come and go to/from your country as you please. But other countries don’t have to give you that privilege.
(I do think they should have to, though!)
What about dual citizens who live in their other home country?
You get to choose which country you serve your military service in.
After that, you are affected by the laws regarding military service that that country has. But not of the other one.
Didn’t have to do service in either country and never chose anything. It seems the German law does not care about that at all anyways. Feels like nobody ever considered dual citizenship.
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