Exactly, it’s weird the anti movement, AI is exceptional in so many ways. Maybe the ruling class don’t want the fireball population to have access to and like something so fundamentally useful and have created a smear campaign
AI is not a useful tool, it’s a lock-in subscription that chains you to those billionaires. Fighting against AI is fighting against control by billionaires.
What about that “forcing” thing you’re talking about? Look around. You’re being forced with everything by corporations. Why would this new cool technology should be an exception? You’re forced to watch sport events, listen to modern music, wear some vogue clothes, kiss your beloved leader’s ass, hate those evil Cubans or Ukrainians (depending on who your owner is).
No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told.
Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there’s value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you’re on is questionable on so many levels.
There’s really not value in doing something harder, and if it was a one page thing that wouldn’t be an issue.
Using their example you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation, searching through an entire site based only on a concept of what feature set you’re looking for. Ctrl-F cannot do that.
YouTube storing shitillions of dickabytes of cat videos “costs” much more while being completely useless. But those are funny cat videos. Hands off of those videos. Yes?
You may think you’re being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both.
You’re screaming into the echo chamber, mate. Unless you’re so rabidly anti-AI you believe and spread one of a few comforting, imaginary narratives, you’ll be dog piled.
I’m staunchly critical of AI, but won’t pretend that it only consists of generative AI, that it still operates as poorly as it did years ago, nor that a disturbing percentage of the population either doesn’t care about or actually supports that shit, so I get my share of insults. Being pro-AI won’t get you much civility so set your expectations low. Unless you’re trolling. Then you’ve nailed it.
I think is people don’t like it they don’t need to use it. I’m ok with rules stating ai generated content must be labeled though. I wouldn’t even mind a toggle so it could just be turned off.
But it is tech that is here to stay. It is useful to many people.
I think is people don’t like it they don’t need to use it.
Tell that to the people living near new data centers who can’t get clean water and are being charged exorbitant rates for electricity. They have no say in the matter.
Useful to who? If you need an LLM to write just a basic e-mail/comment/caption you’re maybe … how do I say this nicely? Not that smart …
If you use an LLM as a search engine, same thing.
If you use an LLM as a psychologist, same damn thing.
And the majority of people are using it for those things. It’s just plain stupidity. I’m not saying there’s no use to AI, but right now it’s being used in a terrible way by people that have no use for it at all.
It’d be fine if that was the case. Right now if you don’t like it you’re still forced to read (and often review) AI generated rumblings, communicate with LLMs instead of humans when contacting support, accept AI-specific terms even you won’t use the AI part of a product, have data centers pollute your city and pay ridiculous amount of money for a stick of ram.
No idea why people do that. I suppose some people are too dumb to write code and some other people are too dumb to understand what programmers use LLMs for. What dumb people do best? Attentionwhoring, screaming and throwing hysterical tantrums.
How do dumb people get dumber? By letting AI do their work and thinking they’re saving time, while in reality, proven by multiple studies, they are not. I would recommend you do some research and read the studies, but you will probably just go to your sycophant AI agent for the research.
There’s basically no time saved, but people do get dumber because they’re not thinking critically themselves anymore.
This dumbness and lack of critical thinking is very apparent in your case.
I get writing boilerplate and unit tests can probably be done by software well enough, at least when supervised.
Ill be honest, that’s not even my real issue.
My real issue is that programming, devops, systems administration. All of these things are art forms, every bit of them. From high-level application architecture down to the tiniest details of implementation.
Like how much of a library you choose to include, what you name your variables, what type of loops you use to iterate through data. How you choose to format and comment your code.
Giving these choices to the machine is like the painter giving their brush to it.
Just like images generated by stable diffusion will never be worth their fully-human painted equivalent. So too will LLM-developed programs fail to hold that value.
For what its worth, this isnt new. I’ve held contempt for VC-worshipping developers who see programming as a means to an end far longer than LLMs have been used for serious work.
Or we can refuse to listen to anti-“AI” crazies.
Exactly, it’s weird the anti movement, AI is exceptional in so many ways. Maybe the ruling class don’t want the fireball population to have access to and like something so fundamentally useful and have created a smear campaign
I’ve never seen this many downvotes on a comment. 👏
And eat the dick billionaire shoving at your face willingly? Because that’s what AI are, people are forced to used it because their boss demand it.
So maybe you should fight against dick-shoving billionaires, not against useful tools?
AI is not a useful tool, it’s a lock-in subscription that chains you to those billionaires. Fighting against AI is fighting against control by billionaires.
How about allowing AI to be rolled out and adopted organically instead of trying to gavage it down everyone’s throats?
That’s the question to corporations, not to LLMs.
That would be true of any technology. Technology doesn’t have agency; my comment is clearly directed at corpos that are pushing it.
If they’re so useful, why are they being forced on everyone, including by making them part of performance reviews?
If they’re useful people will naturally use them.
And people do use them. Naturally.
What about that “forcing” thing you’re talking about? Look around. You’re being forced with everything by corporations. Why would this new cool technology should be an exception? You’re forced to watch sport events, listen to modern music, wear some vogue clothes, kiss your beloved leader’s ass, hate those evil Cubans or Ukrainians (depending on who your owner is).
Wow, you must be the weakest and the easiest to manipulate and brainwash human being on the planet.
I very often do push back against things that they try to force down everyone’s throat. AI is not exceptional in this regard.
No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told.
So cool…
Nobody’s fighting against you guys. Why do sloperators have to take everything personally? Smh my head.
What “usefulness” do you get out of them?
They save my time tremendously while searching for something in documentation. Especially if I don’t know if it is actually there.
Are you not familiar with “ctrl+f”?
Didn’t know ctrl-f could parse natural language and not only rely on knowing the correct keyword. When did it gain that functionality?
Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there’s value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you’re on is questionable on so many levels.
There’s really not value in doing something harder, and if it was a one page thing that wouldn’t be an issue.
Using their example you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation, searching through an entire site based only on a concept of what feature set you’re looking for. Ctrl-F cannot do that.
“AI Tools” describes both the product and the people who use them.
I’d that tool didn’t come at the destructive costs involved, AI would be a lot more palatable.
YouTube storing shitillions of dickabytes of cat videos “costs” much more while being completely useless. But those are funny cat videos. Hands off of those videos. Yes?
You may think you’re being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both.
If that’s what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes.
What “yes”?
Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it?
You need to reread my comment.
I don’t care what you do but keep your hands off those videos. I need them for things.
They’re not useful tools.
You’re screaming into the echo chamber, mate. Unless you’re so rabidly anti-AI you believe and spread one of a few comforting, imaginary narratives, you’ll be dog piled.
I’m staunchly critical of AI, but won’t pretend that it only consists of generative AI, that it still operates as poorly as it did years ago, nor that a disturbing percentage of the population either doesn’t care about or actually supports that shit, so I get my share of insults. Being pro-AI won’t get you much civility so set your expectations low. Unless you’re trolling. Then you’ve nailed it.
I think is people don’t like it they don’t need to use it. I’m ok with rules stating ai generated content must be labeled though. I wouldn’t even mind a toggle so it could just be turned off.
But it is tech that is here to stay. It is useful to many people.
Tell that to the people living near new data centers who can’t get clean water and are being charged exorbitant rates for electricity. They have no say in the matter.
This is occuring all over the US, these issues are far from isolated incidents.
Useful to who? If you need an LLM to write just a basic e-mail/comment/caption you’re maybe … how do I say this nicely? Not that smart …
If you use an LLM as a search engine, same thing.
If you use an LLM as a psychologist, same damn thing.
And the majority of people are using it for those things. It’s just plain stupidity. I’m not saying there’s no use to AI, but right now it’s being used in a terrible way by people that have no use for it at all.
It’d be fine if that was the case. Right now if you don’t like it you’re still forced to read (and often review) AI generated rumblings, communicate with LLMs instead of humans when contacting support, accept AI-specific terms even you won’t use the AI part of a product, have data centers pollute your city and pay ridiculous amount of money for a stick of ram.
That would be wonderful if those anti-AI folk would stop using LLMs and switch their attention to something more constructive. But they can’t.
Imagine letting an entertainment product write your code for you. Why the fuck are you doing this if you don’t even like the act of programming?
No idea why people do that. I suppose some people are too dumb to write code and some other people are too dumb to understand what programmers use LLMs for. What dumb people do best? Attentionwhoring, screaming and throwing hysterical tantrums.
How do dumb people get dumber? By letting AI do their work and thinking they’re saving time, while in reality, proven by multiple studies, they are not. I would recommend you do some research and read the studies, but you will probably just go to your sycophant AI agent for the research.
There’s basically no time saved, but people do get dumber because they’re not thinking critically themselves anymore.
This dumbness and lack of critical thinking is very apparent in your case.
I get writing boilerplate and unit tests can probably be done by software well enough, at least when supervised.
Ill be honest, that’s not even my real issue.
My real issue is that programming, devops, systems administration. All of these things are art forms, every bit of them. From high-level application architecture down to the tiniest details of implementation.
Like how much of a library you choose to include, what you name your variables, what type of loops you use to iterate through data. How you choose to format and comment your code.
Giving these choices to the machine is like the painter giving their brush to it.
Just like images generated by stable diffusion will never be worth their fully-human painted equivalent. So too will LLM-developed programs fail to hold that value.
For what its worth, this isnt new. I’ve held contempt for VC-worshipping developers who see programming as a means to an end far longer than LLMs have been used for serious work.
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The thing is people using this stuff are doing harm to the planet and society. So leaving them alone is not going to happen.