It’s really difficult to look like the “good guys” in a conflict, when you’re the Islamic Regime of Iran. Somehow the current United States are making the Iranians look more and more reasonable.
The defining characteristic of Trump’s foreign policy is that keeping promises, integrity, consistency, truthfulness, morality, and legality have no benefits for the US. Only raw power matters, and dollars, according to Trump. Trump has done his level best to destroy US soft power.
Which is pretty much how Iran itself works. E.g. 2026 Iran massacres. So if you don’t cheer for the US, fair enough, but please don’t cheer for terrorist Iran.
I think that’s the tragedy of this war. If Trump had involved the world, especially the UN, then it would have seemed more justified. It would have given cover to Iranian dissidents to overthrow their regime.
But as a solo act by Israel and the USA? You’d have to declare yourself a traitor to side with those two countries of all on the planet against your government. I found it baffling that Trump seemed to think now that Khamenei was dead the Iranians would rise up - but then I remembered he doesn’t really understand he is not widely liked anywhere.
I think that’s the tragedy of this war. If Trump had involved the world, especially the UN, then it would have seemed more justified.
Trump basically salted that option, when he shamefully reneged on Obama’s deal with Iran.
I found it baffling that Trump seemed to think now that Khamenei was dead the Iranians would rise up
Like Putin, Trump thinks that everybody in the world are motivated by selfishness only. Trump thought that the replacement leader would know he was dead if he didn’t surrender to Trump. And hence Khamenei’s successor would surely surrender.
According to Russia/Putin experts, Putin is also genuinely convinced that the Orange Revolution in Ukraine was orchestrated by the West. Because it is not possible that local idealists could have done it, because there are no real idealists in the world.
I’m certainly not cheering for a regime like the current Iranian one. I deliberately put “good guys” in quotation marks and suggested they might be the more reasonable party, as in the party that is more likely to keep its word.
He’s also destroyed a good bit of hard power by firing anyone competent leading to the deaths and destruction of trained personnel and expensive equipment.
The Iranian government killed 7,000 protesters. I think the Iranian people are by and large good people, but neither of our governments are any good. Iran’s government just looks less crazy than the US government right now.
Which changes them from being the victim in this war how? Or during the war last year? Or the protesters who got driven to the streets after the explicit and intentional work of Scott Bessent? Or the tens/hundreds of thosands who’ve died due to lack of medicine created by US decades-long sanctions? Do you not see that the Iranian gov’t atrocities do not make them and Iranian people any less of a victim of US violence of different kinds?
Iran’s government just looks less crazy than the US government right now.
Iran’s government is objectively less crazy than the US government. In perfect game theory style, Iran had set up the Hormuz threat as MAD (mutually assured destruction), with a completely rational and realistic threat. To deter the US from attacking.
The crazy government here is the US administration, who seemingly was too stupid to understand the extremely simple game theory behind MAD. Trump is not a “rational actor” in the game theory sense.
3k, let’s not use CIA produced numbers. We should be better than that as a species.
Also given it was proven it was a Mossad generated ‘protest’ meant to inspire a colour revolution… maybe don’t blame Iran for defending their sovereignty against a foreign attack.
You people didn’t like it when Russia did the same thing in Ukraine resulting in Ukraine killing hundreds of protestors.
For 40 years Iran has performed more gender transition surgeries than many other nations, largely a result of pressuring gay and gender-nonconforming citizens to undergo unwanted operations or risk the death penalty.
It is amazing how you people fall for NED propaganda every. single. time.
Iranhr.net, the only claim for the death penalty being applied to LGBTQ people in Iran (which is weird since all of Iran’s laws are online, if it were real, you’d think they’d just link the official government site) is an Organization founded, funded, and operated by the National Endowment for Democracy; an organization founded by active CIA members, only hires CIA members and ‘candidates,’ and funds such nonsense reporting as ‘The Uyghur genocide that no uyghur has ever reported experiencing,’ and ‘Why every democracy that doesn’t support the united states is actually a fake democracy hiding a dictatorship.’
On top of this they are the ONLY source used by the UNHRC’s report linked in the article. Yes I actually clicked through and read the sources.
So is it more likely that a culture with a history of gay and trans acceptance older than the concept of white skin did a 180 in the last 60 years, especially given Shia Islam is NOT a sect that punishes LGBTQ people… or did the CIA-Backed NGO make shit up to make you hate a country in order to justify war, sanctions, and continual destruction of civilian life at the behest of its corporate and ideologically opposed owners?
Which is honestly the simpler more likely answer? The most evil empire on Earth that has a 240 year history of lying to its populace to do unpopular things in pursuit of profit doing just that… or a country more progressive (in this specific regard) than the US was until 2015 doing a 180?
It’s not a bastion of freedom, but it is better than the US and UK and especially Israel at this one category that you incorrectly said it wasn’t.
That was called a correction.
As far as race, you people don’t tend to know anything about Iran but you lump it in with Arab and Muslim culture and assume all things true in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Dearborn Michigan must be in common with Iran because they’re all the same right?
Nothing in islam is anti-lgbtq. Nothing in Arab or Persian culture is anti-lgbtq. There are some states that have rules banning it, Iran isn’t one of them.
Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it don’t even exist across the country. Each region has its own rules and the rules aren’t universal, much less universally enforced. Women aren’t forced to cover in general, but muslim women don’t have to cover in Tehran whereas Umira they do. And that’s awful that region is like that, but pretending it’s the whole country because you’re too lazy, too stupid, too racist, or all of the above to even try to understand a country you’re bombing is ridiculous.
It’s not a bastion of freedom, but it is better than the US and UK and especially Israel at this one category that you incorrectly said it wasn’t.
Well, since you want to get into regional differences, that very much depends on which US state you live in. Many absolutely allow one to change their gender - even to an ‘X’ for non-binary. There are even anti-discrimination laws in place as well.
As far as race, you people don’t tend to know anything about Iran but you lump it in with Arab and Muslim culture and assume all things true in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Dearborn Michigan must be in common with Iran because they’re all the same right?
Did you just… “You people” me? You don’t even know what “people” I am. You’re fighting a straw-man now and trying to make it against “me” rather than the topic. I get it.
Nothing in islam is anti-lgbtq. Nothing in Arab or Persian culture is anti-lgbtq. There are some states that have rules banning it, Iran isn’t one of them.
Neat. It doesn’t matter. In Iran Islam says what a very select group of people say it says. Like in the Catholic church - the Bible doesn’t matter, it says whatever the Pope says it says. It’s like that in all religions and there is enough variance in all religions that anybody can say “X isn’t against that” and also “X is for that” at the same time.
Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it
… I’m sorry, what? Who’s the racist now?
Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it don’t even exist across the country. Each region has its own rules and the rules aren’t universal, much less universally enforced. Women aren’t forced to cover in general, but muslim women don’t have to cover in Tehran whereas Umira they do. And that’s awful that region is like that, but pretending it’s the whole country because you’re too lazy, too stupid, too racist, or all of the above to even try to understand a country you’re bombing is ridiculous.
So just like you’re doing with the US?
It may not be universal - but the bar is so much lower. In the US (even the worst parts of it) no woman is called “brave” for showing her face in public or on a YouTube video.
It’s really difficult to look like the “good guys” in a conflict, when you’re the Islamic Regime of Iran. Somehow the current United States are making the Iranians look more and more reasonable.
The defining characteristic of Trump’s foreign policy is that keeping promises, integrity, consistency, truthfulness, morality, and legality have no benefits for the US. Only raw power matters, and dollars, according to Trump. Trump has done his level best to destroy US soft power.
Which is pretty much how Iran itself works. E.g. 2026 Iran massacres. So if you don’t cheer for the US, fair enough, but please don’t cheer for terrorist Iran.
I think that’s the tragedy of this war. If Trump had involved the world, especially the UN, then it would have seemed more justified. It would have given cover to Iranian dissidents to overthrow their regime.
But as a solo act by Israel and the USA? You’d have to declare yourself a traitor to side with those two countries of all on the planet against your government. I found it baffling that Trump seemed to think now that Khamenei was dead the Iranians would rise up - but then I remembered he doesn’t really understand he is not widely liked anywhere.
Trump basically salted that option, when he shamefully reneged on Obama’s deal with Iran.
Like Putin, Trump thinks that everybody in the world are motivated by selfishness only. Trump thought that the replacement leader would know he was dead if he didn’t surrender to Trump. And hence Khamenei’s successor would surely surrender.
According to Russia/Putin experts, Putin is also genuinely convinced that the Orange Revolution in Ukraine was orchestrated by the West. Because it is not possible that local idealists could have done it, because there are no real idealists in the world.
I’m certainly not cheering for a regime like the current Iranian one. I deliberately put “good guys” in quotation marks and suggested they might be the more reasonable party, as in the party that is more likely to keep its word.
He’s also destroyed a good bit of hard power by firing anyone competent leading to the deaths and destruction of trained personnel and expensive equipment.
They’ve always been reasonable. And they’ve always been the victims in modern history.
The Iranian government killed 7,000 protesters. I think the Iranian people are by and large good people, but neither of our governments are any good. Iran’s government just looks less crazy than the US government right now.
Which changes them from being the victim in this war how? Or during the war last year? Or the protesters who got driven to the streets after the explicit and intentional work of Scott Bessent? Or the tens/hundreds of thosands who’ve died due to lack of medicine created by US decades-long sanctions? Do you not see that the Iranian gov’t atrocities do not make them and Iranian people any less of a victim of US violence of different kinds?
Iran’s government is objectively less crazy than the US government. In perfect game theory style, Iran had set up the Hormuz threat as MAD (mutually assured destruction), with a completely rational and realistic threat. To deter the US from attacking.
The crazy government here is the US administration, who seemingly was too stupid to understand the extremely simple game theory behind MAD. Trump is not a “rational actor” in the game theory sense.
3k, let’s not use CIA produced numbers. We should be better than that as a species.
Also given it was proven it was a Mossad generated ‘protest’ meant to inspire a colour revolution… maybe don’t blame Iran for defending their sovereignty against a foreign attack.
You people didn’t like it when Russia did the same thing in Ukraine resulting in Ukraine killing hundreds of protestors.
For sure. Women and LGBTQ people in particular find the morality police to be very reasonable when they’re being beaten in the streets and arrested.
are we talking about the US or Iran now?
Iran has greater protections for trans women than the US or UK btw.
… because they’ve forced their gay men to get trans surgery under threat of a death sentence
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It is amazing how you people fall for NED propaganda every. single. time.
Iranhr.net, the only claim for the death penalty being applied to LGBTQ people in Iran (which is weird since all of Iran’s laws are online, if it were real, you’d think they’d just link the official government site) is an Organization founded, funded, and operated by the National Endowment for Democracy; an organization founded by active CIA members, only hires CIA members and ‘candidates,’ and funds such nonsense reporting as ‘The Uyghur genocide that no uyghur has ever reported experiencing,’ and ‘Why every democracy that doesn’t support the united states is actually a fake democracy hiding a dictatorship.’
On top of this they are the ONLY source used by the UNHRC’s report linked in the article. Yes I actually clicked through and read the sources.
So is it more likely that a culture with a history of gay and trans acceptance older than the concept of white skin did a 180 in the last 60 years, especially given Shia Islam is NOT a sect that punishes LGBTQ people… or did the CIA-Backed NGO make shit up to make you hate a country in order to justify war, sanctions, and continual destruction of civilian life at the behest of its corporate and ideologically opposed owners?
Which is honestly the simpler more likely answer? The most evil empire on Earth that has a 240 year history of lying to its populace to do unpopular things in pursuit of profit doing just that… or a country more progressive (in this specific regard) than the US was until 2015 doing a 180?
Yeah, Iran is a trans paradise.
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Yeah, about that…
What’s race have to do with anything? It’s a theocracy with morality police and you’re defending it like it’s some bastion of freedom and liberty.
It’s not a bastion of freedom, but it is better than the US and UK and especially Israel at this one category that you incorrectly said it wasn’t.
That was called a correction.
As far as race, you people don’t tend to know anything about Iran but you lump it in with Arab and Muslim culture and assume all things true in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Dearborn Michigan must be in common with Iran because they’re all the same right?
Nothing in islam is anti-lgbtq. Nothing in Arab or Persian culture is anti-lgbtq. There are some states that have rules banning it, Iran isn’t one of them.
Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it don’t even exist across the country. Each region has its own rules and the rules aren’t universal, much less universally enforced. Women aren’t forced to cover in general, but muslim women don’t have to cover in Tehran whereas Umira they do. And that’s awful that region is like that, but pretending it’s the whole country because you’re too lazy, too stupid, too racist, or all of the above to even try to understand a country you’re bombing is ridiculous.
Well, since you want to get into regional differences, that very much depends on which US state you live in. Many absolutely allow one to change their gender - even to an ‘X’ for non-binary. There are even anti-discrimination laws in place as well.
Did you just… “You people” me? You don’t even know what “people” I am. You’re fighting a straw-man now and trying to make it against “me” rather than the topic. I get it.
Neat. It doesn’t matter. In Iran Islam says what a very select group of people say it says. Like in the Catholic church - the Bible doesn’t matter, it says whatever the Pope says it says. It’s like that in all religions and there is enough variance in all religions that anybody can say “X isn’t against that” and also “X is for that” at the same time.
… I’m sorry, what? Who’s the racist now?
So just like you’re doing with the US?
It may not be universal - but the bar is so much lower. In the US (even the worst parts of it) no woman is called “brave” for showing her face in public or on a YouTube video.