Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585

Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:

Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.

Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.

I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:

Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.

Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.

I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:

It’s not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.

I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don’t want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that’s not the case in any of the communities I’ve been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.

PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.

  • abbotsbury@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    31·
    14 hours ago

    If you try your best to tell the truth instead of lying

    Now see, that doesn’t seem like such a nice-guy good faith thing to say. I haven’t been lying, and I don’t appreciate you purporting that.

    But okay, sure, I mean I wish we could have started with “hold back on personal attacks, don’t misrepresent my positions, or strawman my arguments,” don’t know why that wasn’t an option, but let’s go.

    what do you do for work?

    Unskilled labor, retail. That’s it. There are thousands of different jobs in different industries that are largely identical to mine, because I deal with customers. No, we don’t have a union.

    • bearboiblake@pawb.socialEnglish
      12·
      13 hours ago

      Okay, wonderful! Thank you for sharing.

      I’m gonna just go ahead and outline a few of my beliefs - but of course this is not an exhaustive list - and you can let me know what, if anything, you disagree with, and we can take it from there. I hope that sounds good to you.

      I believe that, under capitalism, money is power.

      I believe that the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money.

      I believe that almost anyone with any power would be willing to use that power to benefit themselves.

      I believe that both mainstream political parties in the US have been nearly completely captured by the extremely wealthy.

      I believe that the mainstream media serve the interests of the extremely wealthy.

      I believe that the extremely wealthy have an outsized influence over independent media and social media platforms.

      I believe that the extremely wealthy generally prefer fascism to socialism, because socialism threatens their class interests (i.e. their ability to accumulate and hoard wealth, and therefore power)

      What do you think? Do you agree or disagree with these positions?

      • abbotsbury@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        21·
        13 hours ago

        I believe that, under capitalism, money is power.

        Yeah

        I believe that the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money.

        Yeah

        I believe that almost anyone with any power would be willing to use that power to benefit themselves.

        I guess? Seems kinda vague, like yeah people will do what they can for their own self interest, but there are exceptions and limits I think.

        I believe that both mainstream political parties in the US have been nearly completely captured by the extremely wealthy.

        Yeah, but I think change is possible, and even barring change, sometimes enough pressure can move them on certain issues.

        I believe that the mainstream media serve the interests of the extremely wealthy.

        Generally yeah

        I believe that the extremely wealthy have an outsized influence over independent media and social media platforms.

        Yeah

        I believe that the extremely wealthy generally prefer fascism to socialism, because socialism threatens their class interests (i.e. their ability to accumulate and hoard wealth, and therefore power)

        Yeah

        • bearboiblake@pawb.socialEnglish
          12·
          12 hours ago

          Thank you for your responses, I appreciate it. Glad to see we broadly agree!

          I guess? Seems kinda vague, like yeah people will do what they can for their own self interest, but there are exceptions and limits I think.

          Yes, people will do what they can for their own self interest, exactly. By exceptions and limits, what do you mean by that? Like, people have their own ethical boundaries?

          Yeah, but I think change is possible, and even barring change, sometimes enough pressure can move them on certain issues.

          I agree with that - “certain issues” being the operative phrase there. I believe that, as long as it does not conflict too strongly with the interests of the extremely wealthy, they are willing to move in progressive directions, or regressive directions, in response to pressures from the voter base and from influential special interest groups.

          By the way, feel free to share your own beliefs and positions - or something else entirely - I don’t want to dominate the direction or framing of this conversation, I just opened with this because I wasn’t sure what else to open with.