While speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vice President JD Vance said that Pope Leo XIV should “be careful” when he talks about theology. The pope recently criticized the war with Iran.
Atheist agnostic I suppose. I grew up catholic tho, got confirmed in high school and everything lol. I hated the idea that “you’re nothing without God” and “you need God in your life” attitude that they use. Like bro that’s literally abusive behavior what are you doing?
I have a question for you tho. What are your thoughts about humans eventually being able to “measure god”? I’m thinking about radiation, electricity, radio waves. Things that were always there but we just didn’t know what they were. Like if you went near radiation before it was “discovered”, you still got sick, you just didn’t know why.
But we studied those things and now we understand them better. What if “god” as it’s known, or “spiritual experiences” or whatever, are something we can actually devise a way to measure or study? We just don’t understand it yet.
I’m curious to hear from an agnostic theist about this specifically lol. Just the idea that we could “measure god” somehow. A thiest would say god can’t be measured and an atheist would say there is no god so it doesn’t matter.
Hey! I grew up Catholic too! Left the church when I was 8, found agnosticism when I was around 19.
Honestly? I don’t think there is a way to “measure god”, or “gods” or whatever higher power. As a theist, it exists beyond existence. It’s something that exists between lives. I believe in reincarnation at least in a spiritual form, so you meet <Insert Higher Power Being Here> between lives. I believe that if a “higher power” actually exists, it exists beyond any living creatures’ ability to study it. You can feel it, it can exist as a presence but you can never know it’s there. You cannot study it or know what/where/who/how many it is.
It’s why I fell so hard for agnosticism. The idea that there might be something and there might not be, and we have no way as creatures to ever know that. So it’s up to us individually to identity within ourselves how we feel. You fall under the atheist side and I fall under the theist side. I’ve always felt if there was a way to prove a god exists, that’d be neat and I’d totally believe it. But we don’t and I still believe one exists. You’re the opposite where you don’t believe one exists, but are still open to the idea that one could. We share the same world view from different sides of the coin.
I’ve always seen agnosticism as the “scientific” approach to faith. I don’t need to know that there is a god or gods. I just believe there is, but if science ever proved once or the other I’d side on that research. Same with you on the opposite spectrum. But I’m not going to let others… Whether it be preachers or neighbours, or a fucking book dictate what I should believe. I believe what I choose to.
And as someone who loves knowledge and science and space and all that shit, the more and more we learn about the universe, the more and more “proof” there probably isn’t any measurable “God” for us here on Earth. Which goes back to be belief of an inter-spiritual deity/deities between the lives our spirits live.
Like… Our moon radiates detectable energy. It’s gravitational pull creates the tides here on Earth, a hunk of rock rotating around our planet. Radio waves in space can be traced back to stars exploding light years away. It’s not God making them, it’s the universe around us just existing.
That makes sense from a theist perspective lol, that any “god” is inherently beyond our understanding/ comprehension. I think everyone should at least lean agnostic, cuz how can you say for sure either way?
Personal faith is way better than any organized religion since it forces you to think about these heavy questions instead of just accepting what you’re told.
I really like that idea tho, it’s not God it’s just the universe existing.
Atheist agnostic I suppose. I grew up catholic tho, got confirmed in high school and everything lol. I hated the idea that “you’re nothing without God” and “you need God in your life” attitude that they use. Like bro that’s literally abusive behavior what are you doing?
I have a question for you tho. What are your thoughts about humans eventually being able to “measure god”? I’m thinking about radiation, electricity, radio waves. Things that were always there but we just didn’t know what they were. Like if you went near radiation before it was “discovered”, you still got sick, you just didn’t know why.
But we studied those things and now we understand them better. What if “god” as it’s known, or “spiritual experiences” or whatever, are something we can actually devise a way to measure or study? We just don’t understand it yet.
I’m curious to hear from an agnostic theist about this specifically lol. Just the idea that we could “measure god” somehow. A thiest would say god can’t be measured and an atheist would say there is no god so it doesn’t matter.
Hey! I grew up Catholic too! Left the church when I was 8, found agnosticism when I was around 19.
Honestly? I don’t think there is a way to “measure god”, or “gods” or whatever higher power. As a theist, it exists beyond existence. It’s something that exists between lives. I believe in reincarnation at least in a spiritual form, so you meet <Insert Higher Power Being Here> between lives. I believe that if a “higher power” actually exists, it exists beyond any living creatures’ ability to study it. You can feel it, it can exist as a presence but you can never know it’s there. You cannot study it or know what/where/who/how many it is.
It’s why I fell so hard for agnosticism. The idea that there might be something and there might not be, and we have no way as creatures to ever know that. So it’s up to us individually to identity within ourselves how we feel. You fall under the atheist side and I fall under the theist side. I’ve always felt if there was a way to prove a god exists, that’d be neat and I’d totally believe it. But we don’t and I still believe one exists. You’re the opposite where you don’t believe one exists, but are still open to the idea that one could. We share the same world view from different sides of the coin.
I’ve always seen agnosticism as the “scientific” approach to faith. I don’t need to know that there is a god or gods. I just believe there is, but if science ever proved once or the other I’d side on that research. Same with you on the opposite spectrum. But I’m not going to let others… Whether it be preachers or neighbours, or a fucking book dictate what I should believe. I believe what I choose to.
And as someone who loves knowledge and science and space and all that shit, the more and more we learn about the universe, the more and more “proof” there probably isn’t any measurable “God” for us here on Earth. Which goes back to be belief of an inter-spiritual deity/deities between the lives our spirits live.
Like… Our moon radiates detectable energy. It’s gravitational pull creates the tides here on Earth, a hunk of rock rotating around our planet. Radio waves in space can be traced back to stars exploding light years away. It’s not God making them, it’s the universe around us just existing.
That makes sense from a theist perspective lol, that any “god” is inherently beyond our understanding/ comprehension. I think everyone should at least lean agnostic, cuz how can you say for sure either way?
Personal faith is way better than any organized religion since it forces you to think about these heavy questions instead of just accepting what you’re told.
I really like that idea tho, it’s not God it’s just the universe existing.