Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    15 days ago

    Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don’t think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

    That’s not the point, it’s great they’re doing something good but they spread intolerance via propaganda from authoritarian countries.

    In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don’t want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don’t want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government’s policy without hating on Iranian people.

    You must be blind then, because.ml and hexbear are both massive voices on Ukraine being filled with Nazis and it should be wiped out and returned to russia. The only reason they hate what Israel is doing is because Israel is backed by the west, which they hate.

    Would you be here saying how great it is for a white supremacists group raising funds for something? Probably not.

    Tolerance of the intolerant must not be allowed.

    • Riverside@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      1·
      15 days ago

      and it should be wiped out and returned to russia

      You are definitely making this up, saying something like this would first get you dunked and then banned, feel free to do the experiment. I’m saying this as both a frequent hexbear user and someone who hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my own home at the beginning of the war. Again, not the correct post or community to be arguing about this shit.

      • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        15 days ago

        https://hexbear.net/post/253926

        I dunno what instance you think I’m talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:

        “(but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really).”

        Is not pro Ukrainian, it’s russian propaganda.

        You might need to check and see if the hexbear I’m talking about is the same one you are thinking of.

        I’m not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.

        • Riverside@reddthat.comOPEnglish
          1·
          15 days ago

          Great, so now you’re moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying “Ukrainians should be wiped out” to “the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem”, at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.

          Also, “not that Russia’s invasion had anything to do with that” is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine’s government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.

          It’s a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn’t wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn’t easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?

          Edit: holy shit you’re being disingenuous, the post you’re quoting literally says the following: “the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers” right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you’re not arguing in good faith, you’re making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      They’re horrible because they disagree with the amount of Nazis in Ukraine?

      What percentage of Nazis in Ukraine would you consider “tolerant”, when does the switch flip from “tolerant” to “intolerant”?

      Everyone gets called Nazis, sitting at a table with Nazis makes you a Nazi, and so on.

      but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really

      propaganda doesn’t make it wrong. They DO genuinely have a Nazi problem, see far-right Azov movement. Would you agree that is a problem? Or do you assert that is fake, and the movement never happened or something?

      https://www.theleftchapter.com/post/total-militarization-the-azov-movement-is-colonizing-ukrainian-society-with-neo-nazi-war-ideology

      Is “the left chapter” and hundreds of other sources all Russian propaganda? there is a ton of information online, all fake?

        • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          14 days ago

          Why everyone?

          Wouldn’t it be reasonable for Ukraine not to have Nazi military brigades? Is that a bridge too far for you, a Ukrainian?

          Isn’t that an official arm of your government? Are they right wing nationalists or not? I’ve seen them wear SS badges on many occasions, is that AI or fake? You would know better than I.

          I agree, Russia should start in their own backyard, as should all nations. I am against all Nazis and far-right nationalists, in every country, and against armed invasion (like USA’s Iran war and Russia’s invasion).

          So… you still have a Nazi problem, and in your armed forces no less… do you agree? Or are they not a problem for you? Or are they fake news?