This is posted in the waiting room of an Irish hospital. Interesting glimpse into their culture.
The full text of the poster
This symbol has been developed by the Hospice Friendly Hospitals Programme to respectfully identify the End of Life.
This symbol is inspired by ancient Irish history; it is not associated with any one religion or denomination.
The white spiral represents the interconnected cycle of life, birth, life and death.
The white outer circle represents continuity, infinity and completion.
Purple has been chosen as the background colour as it is associated with nobility, solemnity and spirituality.
In this hospital the symbol may be displayed on a ward to add respect and solemnity during end of life or following the death of one of our patients.
Celtic pagans beg to differ I imagine
Yeah I was a bit surprised at that line since I had always understood it to be a Celtic pagan symbol.
Can’t upset the Christians I guess -_-
It’s possible they meant their symbol and its use isn’t tied to any single belief. The symbol’s original meaning might be why they went out of the way to say so.
This symbol has been in religious use for a long ass time.
They’re just rebranding it.
It has been in general use across loads of areas of Europe - not just Celtic ones, even accounting for how widespread Celtic cultures used to be - and also since thousands of years before Celtic cultures emerged as a distinguishable group. I don’t think it’d be reasonable for any one group to claim ownership of it at this point
As far as I remember, it represents the grandma, the mother and the daughter. Some type of cult to woman and generations. It was associated with Celtics and reprieved by Christian religions, specially because introduces importance to matriarchs.
Ah yes, “pagan”, that famously singular religion.
Paganism is incredibly diverse, I will give you that. “Pagan” is more of an umbrella term for many different beliefs with some common elements.
But christianity for example is also an umbrella term - you have catholicism (whis then has the many different orders and stuff under it), evanjelical christianity (with its many denominations) and orthodox church (which may or may not have different groups under it, I don’t really know). And even two different people within one denomination of the larger group of christianity may hold a slightly different set of beliefs.
Paganism is just a larger umbrella. I also went with Celtic paganism as it narrows it down a little more, that’s why I went for that rather than simply saying “paganism”.
Now I get what the hospital tried to go for. But saying it is not tied to a religion is I think a little unfortunate.
Really close, but off by one part: paganism is not an inclusive term. It’s an exclusive term. Rather than groups (originally) agreeing they are pagans, Christians decided anything not Christian is pagan. The modern meaning of pagan is euro-centric because that’s where Christianity took hold. The Norse and the Celtic and the Baltic and the Germanic “pagans” likely would not see themselves as on the same side of the argument against Christians. Grouping pagans together is like grouping barbarians together across the world. Literally, because barbarian is also a derogatory term. (bar-bar was the racist interpretation of foreign language by the Greeks and then Romans)
The meaning is shifted now because of 2000 years of Christian erasure. So sure, it might now be that Pagan is an equivalent type of term as Christian, covering many groups that identify themselves as their parent term, but that’s not the historical context. That makes a difference when talking about the actual history.
Celtic Paganism does in fact refer to a particular pagan religion and set of beliefs/roots of those beliefs.
What’s the religion called then? It’s like a Christian being asked what their religion is and answering “monotheism”.
You can’t be serious. Have you never heard of a “pantheon” before?
Also, horribly ironic, since Christianity is actually a family of individual religions. Have you seriously never heard of Roman Catholicism, Methodism, Southern Baptist, Greek Othrodox, etc. ?
Also, various pagan gods often have a central group of worshipers usually referred to as “cults”. Examples would be the Cult of Odin or Cult of Athena. Members of cults primarily worship their chosen deity most people in a given culture wouldn’t be as selective and worship gods when appropriate, like asking Thor for a good harvest.
Granted, this doesn’t exactly apply to Celtic Paganism, but I’d be surprised if a practice common to the Greeks/Romans, Norse, Egyptians, Hindus, Zoroastrians, etc. didn’t also apply
It depends on the coven/group. Celtic pagans call themselves that or sometimes Celtic Wiccans or just pagans.
It’s the pagan beliefs that are rooted in Irish and Welsh history specifically. Then you have different pagan beliefs that are rooted in Norse theology or Greek mythology.
My mom raised me as Wiccan. There’s about as many denominations as there are in the Christian religion.
Edit: Sometimes they’ll even call themselves Druids or follow Druidism.
Wiccans and Neo-Druids are not Celtic Pagans. They are new age spiritualist nonsense.
Celtic Reconstructionism is the only “authentic” Celtic Pagan religion, based on surviving historical information rather than making up bits and using Celtic flavouring.
Ancient Irish and Welsh ‘pagans’ worshiped entirely different pantheons from each other. ‘Celtic’ paganism is a pretty meaningless term.
Also, everything we know about the druids was written down by Julius Caesar, and - given that he wrote it as a justification for annihilating them - there is absolutely no reason to believe he was even attempting to tell the truth.
I’m talking about neo-paganism and modern religions.
All of that is about as relevant to celtic paganism as Scientology is to Buddhism.
We don’t know a lot about Celtic paganism, what we do know comes through the filter of the Roman invader and is cursorary. Anyone building a halfway coherent belief system and claiming it as Celtic Paganism is a fraud.
Thank you for the informative response. It seems that in this context, “pagan” is less of a religion name and more of a category of otherwise unrelated religions characterized by a mystical connection to nature.
No problem! I think you’re missing that we are saying “Celtic Paganism” and not just pagan.
No I’m not missing that, I’m arguing that it’s the equivalent to saying “American Monotheism” when you mean “Christian”. It strikes me as strange that there’s no, like, actual Celtic word for their belief system/way of life that we could use instead of [Region][Category]
Many if not most religions historically didn’t have a word for their particular belief system; the scholarly name for Germanic paganism is “Germanic paganism” because pre-Christian Germans didn’t have a name for their shared beliefs. Sometimes you may see neologisms or names for neopagan movements applied to the now-dead religion — I’ve seen Germanic neopaganism (aka “Heathenry”)'s less commonly-used “Asatru” used for the original religion in a game. Same with others like “Kemetism”, which refers to the neopagan movement and not the ancient Egyptian religion.
Not a historical scholar but, to my understanding, for a lot of folks “what’s your religion” would have been a nonsensical question because that’s just how the world works and you wouldn’t think of it as being a belief system separate from physically evident reality. Folks are free to correct me on that.
Not really - that’s more like saying “European polytheism” when you mean paganism.
Though I do believe there are non-European traditions that might call themseves pagan. But then again, christianity is also not confined to America.
“Celtic Paganism” would be more akin to “Catholicism”. It’s a sect or branch of Paganism.
Like how Catholicism is a branch of Christianity
It’s more like a Christian being asked what their religion is, and answering “Southern Baptist/First United Methodist/Lutheran/etc”. Every religion has denominations, and Celtic Pagan is an ancient denomination of paganism.