This argument is blatantly fallacious. If Alex Jones thinks the government is filled with pedophiles, the fact that he’s an idiot doesn’t make him wrong on that point: it damn sure doesn’t make everyone who agrees with Alex wrong. This is a guilty by association fallacy, a type of ad hominem.
The fact that people are upvoting your ad hominem because it confirms their previously held opinion is, ironically, the exact complaint I had about Pizzacake comics. No one cares about whether it’s a good argument/comic, they will upvote regardless.
In which case I’m wasting my time. These comments are just a popularity contest for opinions, no one cares about the substance.
Okay, so we should be distrustful of pizzacake in general because her work is popular and relevant to a country she lives 75 miles away from. And this is not fallacious.
But when it comes to literal self proclaimed white supremacists who makes comics where the punchline is “n____”, we have to give each and every argument they make the benefit of the doubt because ultimately someone’s credibility in general cannot ever be used to judge their stance on individual topics?
Edit: so bro posts open and self admitted nazi propaganda and instantly blocks anyone who thinks that isn’t totally irrelevant. Curious
My criticism of Pizzacake stands independently of who agrees with me. So if you attempt to say that I am wrong because of other people, that is a guilt by association fallacy. Downvote all you want, it’s just a poor argument.
You are free to point out that this other person is problematic; if what you say is true, then you are correct in doing so. Again, this has no bearing on the point above.
We could substitute the critical comic with many others. Do you think everyone who criticizes Pizzacake is a Nazi? This is not an uncommon view. Maybe you can evaluate the substance of the claim (i.e., Pizzacake comics are lazy) without appealing to ad hominem responses?
Having made these distinctions the supposed inconsistency vanishes. This is not the “gotcha” moment you think it is.
But at this point I suspect people are just dogpiling. Anything I write will be downvoted, this is not a reasoned debate. Since Lemmy doesn’t turn off reply notifications for individual comments, I have to block you. I’m open to other points of view but doubling down on fallacious arguments is not arguing in good faith.
Ultimately you’re attacking a person who puts out content supporting human rights, which is why the best criticism you could muster was from a neo nazi.
This argument is blatantly fallacious. If Alex Jones thinks the government is filled with pedophiles, the fact that he’s an idiot doesn’t make him wrong on that point: it damn sure doesn’t make everyone who agrees with Alex wrong. This is a guilty by association fallacy, a type of ad hominem.
The fact that people are upvoting your ad hominem because it confirms their previously held opinion is, ironically, the exact complaint I had about Pizzacake comics. No one cares about whether it’s a good argument/comic, they will upvote regardless.
In which case I’m wasting my time. These comments are just a popularity contest for opinions, no one cares about the substance.
Okay, so we should be distrustful of pizzacake in general because her work is popular and relevant to a country she lives 75 miles away from. And this is not fallacious.
But when it comes to literal self proclaimed white supremacists who makes comics where the punchline is “n____”, we have to give each and every argument they make the benefit of the doubt because ultimately someone’s credibility in general cannot ever be used to judge their stance on individual topics?
Edit: so bro posts open and self admitted nazi propaganda and instantly blocks anyone who thinks that isn’t totally irrelevant. Curious
My criticism of Pizzacake stands independently of who agrees with me. So if you attempt to say that I am wrong because of other people, that is a guilt by association fallacy. Downvote all you want, it’s just a poor argument.
You are free to point out that this other person is problematic; if what you say is true, then you are correct in doing so. Again, this has no bearing on the point above.
We could substitute the critical comic with many others. Do you think everyone who criticizes Pizzacake is a Nazi? This is not an uncommon view. Maybe you can evaluate the substance of the claim (i.e., Pizzacake comics are lazy) without appealing to ad hominem responses?
Having made these distinctions the supposed inconsistency vanishes. This is not the “gotcha” moment you think it is.
But at this point I suspect people are just dogpiling. Anything I write will be downvoted, this is not a reasoned debate. Since Lemmy doesn’t turn off reply notifications for individual comments, I have to block you. I’m open to other points of view but doubling down on fallacious arguments is not arguing in good faith.
Ultimately you’re attacking a person who puts out content supporting human rights, which is why the best criticism you could muster was from a neo nazi.