Apt packages used to get more updates in the past. Especially ubuntu repos. Today everything just seems to rely on Debian. Which is always lacking behind.
I don’t like it either. Especially for gaming you really want the latest improvements. Or for science workloads. Or other professionals.
The problem is that there’s so many different ways of packaging and also that Windows generally does static linking so old binaries work after a decade. Whereas old Linux binaries are generally dynamically linked and are dependent on some other old library which isn’t availible for [current kernel] and you get into dependency hell
saying “Linux does dynamic linking and Window does static linking” is both false and a mischaracterization. Windows absolutely does dynamic linking with its Dynamically Linked Libraries (.dll). how dependencies are linked is up to the developer and whatever hardware constraints. one reason i like Rust is that it prefers static linking, and a lot of tool chains are moving in that direction. the reason Linux distros push people toward their internal package management tools (eg apt) is to have tighter control over dynamic linking.
and we’re also glossing over scoop and chocolatey and winget and Docker.
but that’s where you get to stuff like flatpack and snap and Nix that try to contain the dynamic dependencies.
i don’t think downloading exes hoping that Windows has stuffed enough DLLs into the OS and just running them is a better solution.
This is fine as long as upstream supports a convenient way to get the latest versions of software for which you actually need latest (APT repositories)
Stable base, only explicitly allow selected unstable/bleeding edge components.
This is what I do for ROCm and a few other things which need to be constantly updated (yt-dlp). Sometimes stable-backports repositories are enough, but not always.
Hot take: Windows handles this stuff so much better.
Apt packages used to get more updates in the past. Especially ubuntu repos. Today everything just seems to rely on Debian. Which is always lacking behind.
I don’t like it either. Especially for gaming you really want the latest improvements. Or for science workloads. Or other professionals.
The problem is that there’s so many different ways of packaging and also that Windows generally does static linking so old binaries work after a decade. Whereas old Linux binaries are generally dynamically linked and are dependent on some other old library which isn’t availible for [current kernel] and you get into dependency hell
so, it’s the same.
saying “Linux does dynamic linking and Window does static linking” is both false and a mischaracterization. Windows absolutely does dynamic linking with its Dynamically Linked Libraries (.dll). how dependencies are linked is up to the developer and whatever hardware constraints. one reason i like Rust is that it prefers static linking, and a lot of tool chains are moving in that direction. the reason Linux distros push people toward their internal package management tools (eg
apt) is to have tighter control over dynamic linking.and we’re also glossing over
scoopandchocolateyandwingetand Docker.but that’s where you get to stuff like flatpack and snap and Nix that try to contain the dynamic dependencies.
i don’t think downloading
exes hoping that Windows has stuffed enough DLLs into the OS and just running them is a better solution.That’s true but on Windows it’s mostly just clicking install on everything on ninite. Linux libraries sometimes can’t even install on a newer kernel.
I can usually get old Windows programs to run on newer Windows versions. On Linux I rarely had that sucess.
i’m curious where you run into this. i’ve never had this issue in 10 years of using Linux, most of which being on Arch with the latest kernel
This is fine as long as upstream supports a convenient way to get the latest versions of software for which you actually need latest (APT repositories)
Stable base, only explicitly allow selected unstable/bleeding edge components.
This is what I do for ROCm and a few other things which need to be constantly updated (yt-dlp). Sometimes
stable-backportsrepositories are enough, but not always.yea I also leverage PPAs in some cases for getting the latest binaries, yet relying on
apt.