Thanks, I do agree, I should have not told them that. And if I’d invest more time into theming, the attempt could be more successful.
Also, I partially replied to you both in this sibling comment of mine. But I’d partially repeat: I am able and willing to invest inadequate time into helping them adapt, but they react as ‘thanks, we’ll try it on our own and ask questions’ but the questions never followed. The only request was to return to their previous system.
I did it as I did it, only because I did it before the Christmas, but decided that there are holidays coming, and I’d swap the disks right after the holidays. And I did it after the Easter, which was a few weeks ago. If I’m to explore theming and KDE in more depths, it’s quite realistic I’d update their system by the next Christmas, if not later.
At the moment, I think of trying Windows 11 IoT LTSC with them, and see how it goes. And then attempt to swap it for something like Zorin or highly modified KDE. To my brief search, it looks like it’s just easier to find more modern themes than something old, like Windows 10 or 7. I found a nice clone of Windows 7, by the way, but it was unrealistic, they look a bit younger than the people who’d heavily use Windows 7 (as I did, before moving to macOS Mac OS X and Linux). I believe most folks don’t remember Windows 7, so if you theming, you’d rather theme for something more modern.
Sorry, I don’t mean to accuse you of anything. I should’ve made it more clear that most people just won’t try new things no matter how easy you make it for them. They will literally turn their brain off if it’s outside of their comfort zone no matter if it’s just the tiniest of steps.
No worries! I’m happy I’ve got some feedback, as I’m not sure what to do. After I completely switched to Linux (from macOS, fwiw), I am pretty sure Linux can replace a home system for most people. Except some having very unique very niche software. Some of which can be easily run either with Wine or even a VM, if it’s needed occasionally and the hardware allows. Or dual-boot, if the hardware doesn’t allow a VM. I know it’s not really useful to dual boot, as that’s how I tried to migrate to Linux 20 years ago. Back then, though, I had pretty long periods of not booting Windows.
Today, one of the teachers asked me about Krita being installed, whether that’s some default Linux app. I told him I downloaded it. (Pretty randomly, they don’t need it there at the school.) He does some photo editing after hours, so he knows Photoshop. He was impressed it’s very similar in its interface and functionality too.
I mean, I’m very sure most of the workflows are good with Linux, and it’s just superior, aesthetically wise too, which wasn’t the case for many years, unless you’d want to theme it heavily. But it looks like either there’s a more efficient strategy, or each case must be targeted individually. Say, if I’d hire people to do some office-type job with the computers, they’d have no say in their OS. It would either be Linux, or macOS if they’d need any special software unavailable with Linux. Eg graphic design, I’m not sure Linux is good enough here. However, I’m doing my best to try doing it with Linux. Not as bad as I expected it to be, by the way. If there’s a workflow with Windows, like 3D something or CAD, I’m not sure. I’d try to force Linux, but theoretically, I’d allow that person to have Windows for that. I remember I worked at one advertising agency almost two decades ago, and everyone had Macs, and only one 3D guy had a beefy PC with 3Ds Max. He was mostly chilling while waiting for his renders.
Saying that, not every situation is alike, and I see no proper way of people switching to Linux, unless they are interested themselves. Or they are forced and have no say in this.
Also, it doesn’t try to be friendly. There are cases when it’s fucking broken in so many ways, I just hate the devs sometimes. Perhaps, that’s the reason I prefer the tools to be as minimal as possible. I use Arch with Sway wm and most of my apps are TUI or very minimal. I tried KDE, it’s great, but there are some idiosyncrasies in the very Fedora Kinoite. That’s their flagship distro, and some things are straight broken with the Discover app. I won’t provide a proper bug report here right now (it’s unnecessary anyway), but I remember me thinking ‘the fuck? Didn’t you test the app with the atomic distro you advertise? How would a normie who knows nothing of Linux would even understand how to make it work?’
For some weird reason, there are countless of things like that. I tolerate them mostly, but a normie would easily panic upon facing a thing like that. I was like that myself once. That’s why I’d prefer these interfaces to become better. They’re mostly bad in many cases. Maybe the reason is some lonely developer in Nebraska, who made some tiny tool for fun, and a corporation has no resources of making it better, right?
Thanks, I do agree, I should have not told them that. And if I’d invest more time into theming, the attempt could be more successful.
Also, I partially replied to you both in this sibling comment of mine. But I’d partially repeat: I am able and willing to invest inadequate time into helping them adapt, but they react as ‘thanks, we’ll try it on our own and ask questions’ but the questions never followed. The only request was to return to their previous system.
I did it as I did it, only because I did it before the Christmas, but decided that there are holidays coming, and I’d swap the disks right after the holidays. And I did it after the Easter, which was a few weeks ago. If I’m to explore theming and KDE in more depths, it’s quite realistic I’d update their system by the next Christmas, if not later.
At the moment, I think of trying Windows 11 IoT LTSC with them, and see how it goes. And then attempt to swap it for something like Zorin or highly modified KDE. To my brief search, it looks like it’s just easier to find more modern themes than something old, like Windows 10 or 7. I found a nice clone of Windows 7, by the way, but it was unrealistic, they look a bit younger than the people who’d heavily use Windows 7 (as I did, before moving to
macOSMac OS X and Linux). I believe most folks don’t remember Windows 7, so if you theming, you’d rather theme for something more modern.Sorry, I don’t mean to accuse you of anything. I should’ve made it more clear that most people just won’t try new things no matter how easy you make it for them. They will literally turn their brain off if it’s outside of their comfort zone no matter if it’s just the tiniest of steps.
No worries! I’m happy I’ve got some feedback, as I’m not sure what to do. After I completely switched to Linux (from macOS, fwiw), I am pretty sure Linux can replace a home system for most people. Except some having very unique very niche software. Some of which can be easily run either with Wine or even a VM, if it’s needed occasionally and the hardware allows. Or dual-boot, if the hardware doesn’t allow a VM. I know it’s not really useful to dual boot, as that’s how I tried to migrate to Linux 20 years ago. Back then, though, I had pretty long periods of not booting Windows.
Today, one of the teachers asked me about Krita being installed, whether that’s some default Linux app. I told him I downloaded it. (Pretty randomly, they don’t need it there at the school.) He does some photo editing after hours, so he knows Photoshop. He was impressed it’s very similar in its interface and functionality too.
I mean, I’m very sure most of the workflows are good with Linux, and it’s just superior, aesthetically wise too, which wasn’t the case for many years, unless you’d want to theme it heavily. But it looks like either there’s a more efficient strategy, or each case must be targeted individually. Say, if I’d hire people to do some office-type job with the computers, they’d have no say in their OS. It would either be Linux, or macOS if they’d need any special software unavailable with Linux. Eg graphic design, I’m not sure Linux is good enough here. However, I’m doing my best to try doing it with Linux. Not as bad as I expected it to be, by the way. If there’s a workflow with Windows, like 3D something or CAD, I’m not sure. I’d try to force Linux, but theoretically, I’d allow that person to have Windows for that. I remember I worked at one advertising agency almost two decades ago, and everyone had Macs, and only one 3D guy had a beefy PC with 3Ds Max. He was mostly chilling while waiting for his renders.
Saying that, not every situation is alike, and I see no proper way of people switching to Linux, unless they are interested themselves. Or they are forced and have no say in this.
@wltr @canthangmightstain Main obstacle before Linux was the stupidity, 30 years ago exactly like today.
Also, it doesn’t try to be friendly. There are cases when it’s fucking broken in so many ways, I just hate the devs sometimes. Perhaps, that’s the reason I prefer the tools to be as minimal as possible. I use Arch with Sway wm and most of my apps are TUI or very minimal. I tried KDE, it’s great, but there are some idiosyncrasies in the very Fedora Kinoite. That’s their flagship distro, and some things are straight broken with the Discover app. I won’t provide a proper bug report here right now (it’s unnecessary anyway), but I remember me thinking ‘the fuck? Didn’t you test the app with the atomic distro you advertise? How would a normie who knows nothing of Linux would even understand how to make it work?’
For some weird reason, there are countless of things like that. I tolerate them mostly, but a normie would easily panic upon facing a thing like that. I was like that myself once. That’s why I’d prefer these interfaces to become better. They’re mostly bad in many cases. Maybe the reason is some lonely developer in Nebraska, who made some tiny tool for fun, and a corporation has no resources of making it better, right?