Rimu published yet another hit piece against the /0 instance and this time posted it in his own instance comms as well. One of his mods jumped in, admitted they don’t know anything about anything, but nevertheless felt confident enough to state their opinion as fact and in the process insult all of us collectively, then stickied his opinion for good measure.
So I decided to reply sarcastically, at which point that mod insulted me and locked the thread, which is apparently a feature in piefed which simply hides/deletes further replies in that thread, but since it’s not a feature in lemmy, it appears to function like a shadow delete.
This is what my last reply would have been.
(Yes I’m being snarky, but that “I’m so mature” bullshit just rubs me the wrong way.)
In my opinion, using mod powers to get the last insult in, is just bastard behaviour.
I don’t think most people use tankie as a perjorative for communists broadly, and I don’t think Rimu uses it that way either (which is what you were implying, right?)
But like I said, I’m unsurprised that you feel like they do.
i said:
you are now saying:
that’s a different claim; my claim was that ‘tankie’ is used as a pejorative against anyone on the left who’s not aligned with us imperial ‘foreign policy’.
you say that you don’t think it’s used as a pejorative for communists broadly
the fact that there are communists who have views which are aligned with us ‘foreign policy’ is not something that is in dispute on my end; you’re addressing a different claim.
we are here because i raised rimu’s documented goal of excluding ‘tankies’ through platform design. what does that exclusion mean if not targeting anti-imperialists?
Which you did in defense of this claim:
So either it was created out of an anti-tankie (and nazi) ideology, and being anti-tankie == being anti-communist (unlikely), or it wasn’t created out of an anti-communist ideology.
excluding anti-imperialists while catering to pro-US leftists is still anti-communism in practice; even in the cold war there was an acceptable vs unacceptable left.
historical US anti-communism looks exactly like that in fact, revolutionary anti-imperialists get targeted while liberal-compatible communists are permitted and promoted.
I can’t take the stated desire to exclude nazis seriously when rimu has not spoken out against the platform being promoted as a place to be free from ‘degenerate roaches’ (referring to predominantly gay/trans ‘tankies’). all energy seems to be directed leftwards and he’s even posted and commented in the comm where that type of language has been long-permitted.
Assuming “excluding anti-imperialists” means “adding features tankies and nazis won’t like”, then maybe? But I don’t think I agree that it does.
That’s a loooooong thread with a lot of links to loooooooong threads, but I think I see the comment you’re referring to here. Has anyone asked rimu to make a statement about that comment? Has he even seen it?
rimus comfort or lack thereof with the promotion of piefed in the nazi bar as an alternative to the ‘tankies’ is something which he can clarify if he chooses. it makes it hard for me to take his opposition to nazism as anything other than performative without that.
i don’t expect a real response from him, the evidence is posted on hexbear and his stated position is ‘Do not take anything a hexbearian says at face value.’
nazis are not anti-imperialists and as i stated i’m not convinced they’re being deterred at all. if anything the open anti-communism is a beacon for them.
I get that you want to assume that ‘tankies’ and nazis are the same, but as I just clarified, designating an out-group of incompatible leftists to slander as ‘tankies’ because they do not align with us ‘foreign policy’ is just straight up anti-communism.
Okay, so we can close the nazi thread with: Rimu saying he’s anti-nazi holds no water because he didn’t make an official statement denouncing a comment he may or may not have seen where the commenter may or may not have known the word they chose can be interpreted as a crypto-fascist dogwhistle.
I disagree, but it’s honestly not relevant to whether or not PieFed was created out of an anti-communist ideology.
I didn’t say they were, I was just including the full target audience of that feature, since you keep going to “anti-imperialist”, instead of “tankies and nazis”, which is the actual quote.
What?? I don’t assume that at all… genuinely no idea where you’re pulling that out of.
So if it is impossible to oppose tankies without opposing communism broadly, does it follow that it’s impossible to support any form of communism without supporting tankie ideology?
you can critique specific states or policies without using ‘tankie’ as a catch-all for anti-imperialists.
you propose a false binary, my point was that identifying ‘tankies’ as an out-group to exclude in practice excludes all anti-imperialist leftists while allowing pro-US ones. it is selective anti-communism and is no different from how it operated in the height of the cold war.
rimu rhetorically equates ‘tankies’ and nazis, but all the energy i’ve seen in practice seems to be focused on the ‘tankies’ and presenting an alternative free from their ‘influence’ (ie, free from voices opposed to us imperialism)
I’m curious, would you agree with this statement: ‘nazi’ (and ‘fascist’) is used as a pejorative against anyone on the right who is not opposed to capitalism?