At my last job we had a sales contact that lived in South Africa (he’s white). At one point a few years ago he dropped off the radar, and we finally heard from him about 6 months later. He had picked up his family and moved to England. Left most of their possessions, abandoned the house, etc. He said things were getting too lawless and felt they had to leave immediately.
I also have a friend who’s from South Africa (also white) who has most of her family back in South Africa, and the stories I hear are chilling. I don’t know this, but it seems like things have been going downhill fast for the past 5 or 6 years now (faster than before).
The genocide currently happening in South Africa against white Afrikaans. The one where their properties are being taken off them by the government with no payment and no recourse. The one where the government officials are literally on video singing “kill all the white people”. The one where groups of black people are going around murdering white families and facing no repercussions because it’s what the government is telling them to do.
(a) where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation of its market value;
(b) where an organ of state holds land that it is not using for its core functions and is not reasonably likely to require the land for its future activities in that regard, and the organ of state acquired the land for no consideration;
(d) where the market value of the land is equivalent to, or less than, the present value of direct state investment or subsidy in the acquisition and beneficial capital improvement of the land.
In other words, land can be seized without compensation if the owner is not using it, and is rather just waiting for property values to rise in order to sell at a profit.
Yeah sounds horrible.
How is this a genocide?
Stop spreading the bullshit.
Also, you might want to at least consider south African history and who was really fucked for a long time under Apartheid before spouting your crap.
While this is good info for reasonable people. I’d suggest in the future YOU ask for evidence of idiots claims like this and just call it out as a lie like it is.
These fascist talking points about white genocide should never be taken seriously. You don’t need to provide counter evidence to someone literally shitting out of their mouth.
When arguing with white supremacists keep it simple. They don’t care about facts. They’ll never ever ever turn back and agree with anything you say. They’ll just pivot and use any point of evidence you provide to create a new lie.
What this looks like to the average idiot listening to that back and forth is “oh, I guess there is some debate on this” and that is exactly what white supremacists are trying to do with these lies. To add doubt to reality.
There is no debate. No need to debate straight up lies. Call them lies and keep them incredibly focused on having to provide proof. They’ll never be able to.
I think that arguing against posting factual information because some people are idiots is, frankly, idiotic. I appreciate people like op who take the time and effort to post the facts and educate all of us. Discouraging this behaviour is mind boggling to me.
I get where you are coming from, but I wanted to put that out there. Not for the person I was calling bullshit on, but for everyone else reading this.
You are right though. The only way to get through to anyone is to get them to prove their point of view. Proofs just make them argue in new ways and never learn anything.
I guess I will leave this up as it is done already, but take what you said into consideration for the future.
Absolutely. I took some advice after watching this video on the topic awhile ago and if anything it’s at least improved my mental health.
I don’t agree with all the points he makes. But it’s definitely helped simplify my approach when dealing with these people spreading white supremacists talking points online.
Who decides the owners main purpose for the land you peanut?
If you ask Putin if Russia is a democracy and if he was democratically elected, he will say yes. Would you believe him?
Considering you lefties all refuse to believe a single thing the current US government says, and imagine dozens of ways that what they’re saying is actually wrong and will be used to set up death camps, it’s astounding just how readily you believe literally everything the South African government says.
Oh apart from the “kill all the white men!” song they love singing - you don’t believe them when they say that.
Since when do you righties believe anything our government says? It’s hilarious how a man who is proven repeatedly to be a consistent liar comes to power and you start believing him just because he preaches hate.
“You lefties”. Thanks for letting me know you have an agenda and are ignorant.
And since you keep bringing it up, what is the history of the kill the white man song, why is it important, and how does it relate today? You keep saying it, so back it up big guy.
Curious of your statement, as it not being the first time I’ve heard something like this, I looked for more information. This article seems to sum up the factual consensus pretty well.
Afrikaners, the descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa, codified the nation’s apartheid racial segregation system in 1948 and subsequently subjected the country’s Black population to mass evictions and brutal segregation.
White South Africans, as the end of apartheid neared in the early 1990s, owned the vast majority of the nation’s land. Even decades after the end of the apartheid system, white South Africans still own more than 70 percent of the country’s agricultural land, despite making up less than 10 percent of the overall population. The government’s efforts at land redistribution — including a new January land reform law — are designed to address this disparity.
In his February order, Trump claimed that Afrikaners were “escaping government-sponsored race-based discrimination,” as well as “racially discriminatory property confiscation,” and demanded that U.S. officials draft plans to provide relief, including refugee resettlement, to Afrikaners.
Afrikaners have been vocal supporters of Trump, and Musk, who grew up in South Africa under apartheid, has been a vocal opponent of what he calls “racist ownership laws,” in the country. Musk is not himself Afrikaner but descended from more recent British and Canadian white settlers in the country.
Musk has also been vocal about alleged violence against white South African farmers, claiming in 2023 that “they are actually killing white farmers every day.” The country’s courts have found that such claims are baseless.
The country, whose leaders all gleefully sing and chant “kill all the white man!”, courts say that it’s not happening? Oh, well then they must be right. Just like how Kim Jong Un shot a 50 under par on a par 60. Just like how Russia is a democracy. They say it so it’s true.
Doesn’t matter that the government approved laws where they can literally just steal white peoples land/property with no compensation and no recourse. Nah, irrelevant because the government said that they’re not actually going to do it - they just passed the laws so they can as a prank, and the white people that have had their properties and land stolen since are just taking the prank the wrong way. All the white farmers and their families being murdered and having their farms stolen are just being bad sports. It’s not happening, the government said it themselves!
I have a friend who came here to my country 6 months or so ago from SA. He’s white. His best friends family were all murdered in a home invasion. Police didn’t care. His uncle was murdered on his farm and his farm was taken to government to black people. Police didn’t care, government just took the property.
I’ll tell him it didn’t happen, I’m sure that will make his uncle and best friend and his family jump out of a door and yell surprise! He’ll be so relieved!
The sad thing is that this is a common take on Twitter. That website is just filled with Nazis. I can see how some dumb fuck without a brain who spends enough time on there could actually believe it.
From what affliction are these people seeking refuge?
simple, from “not being the majority ruling class in government, policy and wealth extraction”
blacks apparently
https://youtu.be/IV20B6bU8Pc
At my last job we had a sales contact that lived in South Africa (he’s white). At one point a few years ago he dropped off the radar, and we finally heard from him about 6 months later. He had picked up his family and moved to England. Left most of their possessions, abandoned the house, etc. He said things were getting too lawless and felt they had to leave immediately.
I also have a friend who’s from South Africa (also white) who has most of her family back in South Africa, and the stories I hear are chilling. I don’t know this, but it seems like things have been going downhill fast for the past 5 or 6 years now (faster than before).
Extremely vague and therefore bullshit.
why obfuscate the real reason he left.
I don’t know the reason. I don’t know him personally. Only ever met him over calls.
We all know why.
The genocide currently happening in South Africa against white Afrikaans. The one where their properties are being taken off them by the government with no payment and no recourse. The one where the government officials are literally on video singing “kill all the white people”. The one where groups of black people are going around murdering white families and facing no repercussions because it’s what the government is telling them to do.
Those afflictions.
It’s always the oppressors claiming to be the victims.
Ok so here are the rules:
In other words, land can be seized without compensation if the owner is not using it, and is rather just waiting for property values to rise in order to sell at a profit.
Yeah sounds horrible.
How is this a genocide?
Stop spreading the bullshit.
Also, you might want to at least consider south African history and who was really fucked for a long time under Apartheid before spouting your crap.
Genocide is when we abolish landlords. /s
Meanwhile, when you use military force to take people’s homeland, it’s not.
While this is good info for reasonable people. I’d suggest in the future YOU ask for evidence of idiots claims like this and just call it out as a lie like it is.
These fascist talking points about white genocide should never be taken seriously. You don’t need to provide counter evidence to someone literally shitting out of their mouth.
When arguing with white supremacists keep it simple. They don’t care about facts. They’ll never ever ever turn back and agree with anything you say. They’ll just pivot and use any point of evidence you provide to create a new lie.
What this looks like to the average idiot listening to that back and forth is “oh, I guess there is some debate on this” and that is exactly what white supremacists are trying to do with these lies. To add doubt to reality.
There is no debate. No need to debate straight up lies. Call them lies and keep them incredibly focused on having to provide proof. They’ll never be able to.
I think that arguing against posting factual information because some people are idiots is, frankly, idiotic. I appreciate people like op who take the time and effort to post the facts and educate all of us. Discouraging this behaviour is mind boggling to me.
I get where you are coming from, but I wanted to put that out there. Not for the person I was calling bullshit on, but for everyone else reading this.
You are right though. The only way to get through to anyone is to get them to prove their point of view. Proofs just make them argue in new ways and never learn anything.
I guess I will leave this up as it is done already, but take what you said into consideration for the future.
Absolutely. I took some advice after watching this video on the topic awhile ago and if anything it’s at least improved my mental health.
I don’t agree with all the points he makes. But it’s definitely helped simplify my approach when dealing with these people spreading white supremacists talking points online.
Who decides the owners main purpose for the land you peanut?
If you ask Putin if Russia is a democracy and if he was democratically elected, he will say yes. Would you believe him?
Considering you lefties all refuse to believe a single thing the current US government says, and imagine dozens of ways that what they’re saying is actually wrong and will be used to set up death camps, it’s astounding just how readily you believe literally everything the South African government says.
Oh apart from the “kill all the white men!” song they love singing - you don’t believe them when they say that.
Lol
Since when do you righties believe anything our government says? It’s hilarious how a man who is proven repeatedly to be a consistent liar comes to power and you start believing him just because he preaches hate.
“You lefties”. Thanks for letting me know you have an agenda and are ignorant.
And since you keep bringing it up, what is the history of the kill the white man song, why is it important, and how does it relate today? You keep saying it, so back it up big guy.
Curious of your statement, as it not being the first time I’ve heard something like this, I looked for more information. This article seems to sum up the factual consensus pretty well.
https://truthout.org/articles/amid-near-total-asylum-ban-trump-welcomes-white-south-africans/
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-africa/article/2025/03/13/in-south-africa-the-courts-dismiss-the-myth-of-white-genocide_6739091_124.html
The country, whose leaders all gleefully sing and chant “kill all the white man!”, courts say that it’s not happening? Oh, well then they must be right. Just like how Kim Jong Un shot a 50 under par on a par 60. Just like how Russia is a democracy. They say it so it’s true.
Doesn’t matter that the government approved laws where they can literally just steal white peoples land/property with no compensation and no recourse. Nah, irrelevant because the government said that they’re not actually going to do it - they just passed the laws so they can as a prank, and the white people that have had their properties and land stolen since are just taking the prank the wrong way. All the white farmers and their families being murdered and having their farms stolen are just being bad sports. It’s not happening, the government said it themselves!
I have a friend who came here to my country 6 months or so ago from SA. He’s white. His best friends family were all murdered in a home invasion. Police didn’t care. His uncle was murdered on his farm and his farm was taken to government to black people. Police didn’t care, government just took the property.
I’ll tell him it didn’t happen, I’m sure that will make his uncle and best friend and his family jump out of a door and yell surprise! He’ll be so relieved!
White people stole the land in the first place asshole
Oh god. I would love to see your “evidence” for this. Please deliver. I need a good chuckle today.
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The sad thing is that this is a common take on Twitter. That website is just filled with Nazis. I can see how some dumb fuck without a brain who spends enough time on there could actually believe it.
Repeating a lie enough, etc.