Trump put in effort to win voters who used their leverage such as the Libertians and even promised to end the Gaza genocide. Kamala refused to do so and paraded around Liz Cheney.
You have to be pretty gullible to believe any voting bloc besides the rich and powerful have any influence or leverage on Trump.
Also, really dislike that ‘which won’ rhetorical in this context, when we are talking about people fighting against Harris in the general election and refusing to vote for her. It’s totally self-fulfilling: commit sabotage then blame the victim. Real “stop hitting yourself” vibes.
Nobody has pushed back on my assertion that Trump is more corrupt, you just ignore that because its inconvenient. Either Harris has secretly pocketed hundreds of millions of taxpayer money and taken billions of dollars in bribes, or she’s less corrupt than Trump. It’s wild to me I have to state this twice in the ‘progressive’ community.
Nobody has pushed back on my assertion that Trump is more corrupt,
Trump is more corrupt. That’s not in dispute. He still won because democrats keep chasing fascists to the right under the idiotic assumption that fascists will vote for lesser fascism.
She actively pushed for people not to vote. If she had quietly decided not to vote herself, I wouldn’t know her name. She’s a democratic strategist yet only speaks out against her own party in the general. I think it’s fair to call that sabotage whether or not you agree with it.
She has been very visibly involved with progressive politics for a decade. Not democratic. Those two are not even in the same ideological strata. The most progressive democrat is still far right to any modern progressive or leftist. AOC is to left-wing politics as Donald Trump is to Bill Clinton.
And I did watch the video, she did not say not to vote at all. She said not to vote for genocidal candidates even if they’re democrats. There’s a pretty big difference. FPTP is not a duopoly unlike what the propagandists consistently sell you. If people voted for their interests, not to appease billionaires but actually for people in parties for their interest, there would be no two party system in the US, even with FPTP. There is nothing stopping a third party from winning a seat, Bernie Sanders is proof of this. There is nothing stopping a third party from having the presidency, except the perception that a third party can’t.
If there are no democrats that are against genocide on the ballot, if there are no progressive democrats at all, then guess what; don’t vote democrat. If enough people do that, dems lose. Permanently. This does not mean republicans win.
Only from a propagandist and defeatist point of view. There are not just two options. There is no reason to support people that are only willing to keep you alive as long as you ostensibly give them power. The lesser evil is just evil that is not applied to you, only others; voting for that makes you just as bad as any MAGA supporter, since you’re voting for the same reasons.
Trump’s base loves the genocide and corruption, and will only vote for the greater evil. Corruption and genocide is only a selling point for centrist democrats, and you can’t win with only centrists and suckers.
Trump put in effort to win voters who used their leverage such as the Libertians and even promised to end the Gaza genocide. Kamala refused to do so and paraded around Liz Cheney.
Which won?
You have to be pretty gullible to believe any voting bloc besides the rich and powerful have any influence or leverage on Trump.
Also, really dislike that ‘which won’ rhetorical in this context, when we are talking about people fighting against Harris in the general election and refusing to vote for her. It’s totally self-fulfilling: commit sabotage then blame the victim. Real “stop hitting yourself” vibes.
You say, believing any voting bloc beside the rich and powerful have any influence or leverage on Harris
Nobody has pushed back on my assertion that Trump is more corrupt, you just ignore that because its inconvenient. Either Harris has secretly pocketed hundreds of millions of taxpayer money and taken billions of dollars in bribes, or she’s less corrupt than Trump. It’s wild to me I have to state this twice in the ‘progressive’ community.
Trump is more corrupt. That’s not in dispute. He still won because democrats keep chasing fascists to the right under the idiotic assumption that fascists will vote for lesser fascism.
I’m pushing back: actively supporting fascist genocide is the most corrupt a person can be.
How is ‘stating the requirements for a candidate to receive a vote’ sabotage in a democracy?
She actively pushed for people not to vote. If she had quietly decided not to vote herself, I wouldn’t know her name. She’s a democratic strategist yet only speaks out against her own party in the general. I think it’s fair to call that sabotage whether or not you agree with it.
Can you actually link to any part of anything she has posted that has told people not to vote at all?
Anywhere?
I’ll even give you her substack which is more radical than what news sites tend to select of her words.
She also is not a ‘democratic strategist.’ by any definition.
Yes, this video. Did you watch?
She has been very visibly involved with Democratic politics for almost a decade, I don’t know what you’re on about.
She has been very visibly involved with progressive politics for a decade. Not democratic. Those two are not even in the same ideological strata. The most progressive democrat is still far right to any modern progressive or leftist. AOC is to left-wing politics as Donald Trump is to Bill Clinton.
And I did watch the video, she did not say not to vote at all. She said not to vote for genocidal candidates even if they’re democrats. There’s a pretty big difference. FPTP is not a duopoly unlike what the propagandists consistently sell you. If people voted for their interests, not to appease billionaires but actually for people in parties for their interest, there would be no two party system in the US, even with FPTP. There is nothing stopping a third party from winning a seat, Bernie Sanders is proof of this. There is nothing stopping a third party from having the presidency, except the perception that a third party can’t.
If there are no democrats that are against genocide on the ballot, if there are no progressive democrats at all, then guess what; don’t vote democrat. If enough people do that, dems lose. Permanently. This does not mean republicans win.
Splitting hairs
Only from a propagandist and defeatist point of view. There are not just two options. There is no reason to support people that are only willing to keep you alive as long as you ostensibly give them power. The lesser evil is just evil that is not applied to you, only others; voting for that makes you just as bad as any MAGA supporter, since you’re voting for the same reasons.
And not over Harris?
Yes? Trump is more corrupt, that feels incredibly simple to point out.
Trump’s base loves the genocide and corruption, and will only vote for the greater evil. Corruption and genocide is only a selling point for centrist democrats, and you can’t win with only centrists and suckers.
Your daily reminder that liberals don’t consider Palestinians human
So why did Trump put in more effort to win over voters?