Everyone who decided Trump was the better choice is an idiot. Harris was better in every conceivable way. Of course I blame them for deciding she wasn’t good enough, the objections people raised about her apply more to Trump. These left leaning Trump supporters directly harmed my life and are directly responsible for thousands of deaths, and they justified themselves with logical fallacies.
Since you’re going to assume in the worst possible faith that I didn’t vote for harris unless I say this first, I voted for harris. Maybe you can restrain yourself from doing it anyway, but I doubt it.
Trump was a worse choice. Harris lost anyway because centrists don’t understand how voters work. Voters will not support the second worst genocidal piece of shit just because they’re second worst. At least not in sufficient numbers to win.
If you keep acting like you’re playing to the entire crowd instead of just the voters you can get, you’re going to waste a ton of energy chasing after fascists, and losing votes you could have had in the process.
Fascists always vote for the greater evil and you cannot win their votes by betraying your own voters.
These left leaning Trump supporters directly harmed my life
You right-wing genocide worshipers did that to yourselves and you all deserve worse. Too bad you had to drag the rest of us down with you.
I’m literally just talking about left leaning activists telling people not to vote, suppressing turnout and helping Trump win. Why do you think I have any beef with you?
Let’s pretend for a moment that you’re not lying in bad faith about the messaging of the anti-genocide wing of the party. You know what would make it harder for such messaging to take root?
I never said she wasn’t genocidal, or an Israel supporter, but on those two issues she was still better than Trump. There’s not a single issue that Trump was the better choice, and that’s why I’m upset at people helping Trump win, like Briahna. You also seemed to have come to that same conclusion, so I literally have no idea why you’re yelling at me.
Yes, Harris was genocidal, how many times do I have to repeat that!!! Ahhhh
I’m mad that people couldn’t tell the difference between the two, as you and I have. We literally are agreeing!!! I’m so confused. Are you saying you regret your vote?
Yes, Harris was genocidal, how many times do I have to repeat that!!! Ahhhh
And there are people out there that won’t vote for genocide, no matter how many times you dance around admitting it was wrong for her to do that. No matter how much you blame the voters for having standards.
You’re unwilling to entertain the notion of ever meeting any standard but second worst, and that cannot win.
Are you saying you regret your vote?
You don’t? I had to vote for genocide because centrists manipulated the situation to the point where no other option was on the ballot. Blaming the voters just guarantees the party will be even worse next time.
Briahna isn’t in that camp. I’m talking specifically about left leaning activists that told people not to vote. Not Trump fans, yet still trump supporters in effect.
Swing voters probably don’t exist in any real number, and if they do they are unreliable anyways. A state or county flipping does not necessarily imply people flipped, especially when turnout is around 50%, it’s often just a matter of who showed up.
I hear your point: Harris was a better candidate than Trump.
To be more explicit, my response is to argue that people are tired of corporate pro-establishment pro-Israeli candidates. Trump is willing to lie to people with populist rhetoric that gives them hope.
He never lied about being pro-Israel, and he literally hawked baked beans in the oval office for no reason, he’s the most pro-corporate candidate in my lifetime, to an absurd degree. I agree people were motivated by him, but it was the racism. We really can’t replicate that on the left.
What also hurt Harris’ chances were activists like Briahna suppressing turnout. That’s my main criticism of her. Harris could’ve done better, but so could Briahna and others. Feels like I’m picking on her but that is the subject of this thread anyways.
If electing Harris would have saved a single Palestinian life, that was the correct choice.
It wouldn’t. If anything, she would have just been a more competent steward of the genocidal empire who would have avoided the massive push back against Israel that liberals started doing only after Trump was in power.
. I get that you feel really high and mighty
You really have to be a truly loathsome piece of inhuman scum to get huffy about people but supporting genocide.
by participating in democracy,
Just outright coming out and saying it now: Democracy is apparently when I have to vote for your Nazi monster, and if I vote for someone else I’m not “participating”. Fuck off you fascist pig. One day I hope your “participation in democracy” is you kneeling over a ditch.
There’s no world where you can convince anyone
Fuck off. Just because you’re an ideologically intractable fascist who makes it a point of pride that they can’t be convinced by reason doesn’t mean everyone else is also a loathsome demon.
America made doing a new Holocaust bipartisan policy and you’re sulking that people who hate your guts and will celebrate your death didn’t let your team be the one holding the lever at the gas chamber just because you told them they had to.
Everyone who decided Trump was the better choice is an idiot. Harris was better in every conceivable way. Of course I blame them for deciding she wasn’t good enough, the objections people raised about her apply more to Trump. These left leaning Trump supporters directly harmed my life and are directly responsible for thousands of deaths, and they justified themselves with logical fallacies.
Since you’re going to assume in the worst possible faith that I didn’t vote for harris unless I say this first, I voted for harris. Maybe you can restrain yourself from doing it anyway, but I doubt it.
Trump was a worse choice. Harris lost anyway because centrists don’t understand how voters work. Voters will not support the second worst genocidal piece of shit just because they’re second worst. At least not in sufficient numbers to win.
If you keep acting like you’re playing to the entire crowd instead of just the voters you can get, you’re going to waste a ton of energy chasing after fascists, and losing votes you could have had in the process.
Fascists always vote for the greater evil and you cannot win their votes by betraying your own voters.
You right-wing genocide worshipers did that to yourselves and you all deserve worse. Too bad you had to drag the rest of us down with you.
I’m literally just talking about left leaning activists telling people not to vote, suppressing turnout and helping Trump win. Why do you think I have any beef with you?
Let’s pretend for a moment that you’re not lying in bad faith about the messaging of the anti-genocide wing of the party. You know what would make it harder for such messaging to take root?
NOT. SUPPORTING. GENOCIDE.
I never said she wasn’t genocidal, or an Israel supporter, but on those two issues she was still better than Trump. There’s not a single issue that Trump was the better choice, and that’s why I’m upset at people helping Trump win, like Briahna. You also seemed to have come to that same conclusion, so I literally have no idea why you’re yelling at me.
Harris chose genocide over votes. You’re mad at anyone who said she shouldn’t have done that, and call it “helping trump win.”
Yes, Harris was genocidal, how many times do I have to repeat that!!! Ahhhh
I’m mad that people couldn’t tell the difference between the two, as you and I have. We literally are agreeing!!! I’m so confused. Are you saying you regret your vote?
And there are people out there that won’t vote for genocide, no matter how many times you dance around admitting it was wrong for her to do that. No matter how much you blame the voters for having standards.
You’re unwilling to entertain the notion of ever meeting any standard but second worst, and that cannot win.
You don’t? I had to vote for genocide because centrists manipulated the situation to the point where no other option was on the ballot. Blaming the voters just guarantees the party will be even worse next time.
We are in 100% agreement, I’m going to stop responding because you clearly just want to be angry at someone.
The only thing bluemaga liberals care about lol
Oh come on. They care about netanyahu.
Ask yourself this: Why did many of the same people who voted for Obama for two terms then turn around and vote for Trump?
HINT: Obama promised HOPE and CHANGE.
Briahna isn’t in that camp. I’m talking specifically about left leaning activists that told people not to vote. Not Trump fans, yet still trump supporters in effect.
Swing voters probably don’t exist in any real number, and if they do they are unreliable anyways. A state or county flipping does not necessarily imply people flipped, especially when turnout is around 50%, it’s often just a matter of who showed up.
By an astounding coincidence, centrists interpret all criticism as “telling people not to vote.”
I hear your point: Harris was a better candidate than Trump.
To be more explicit, my response is to argue that people are tired of corporate pro-establishment pro-Israeli candidates. Trump is willing to lie to people with populist rhetoric that gives them hope.
He never lied about being pro-Israel, and he literally hawked baked beans in the oval office for no reason, he’s the most pro-corporate candidate in my lifetime, to an absurd degree. I agree people were motivated by him, but it was the racism. We really can’t replicate that on the left.
What also hurt Harris’ chances were activists like Briahna suppressing turnout. That’s my main criticism of her. Harris could’ve done better, but so could Briahna and others. Feels like I’m picking on her but that is the subject of this thread anyways.
And his base are horrible people, so it was a selling point for them. It’s not a selling point for democrats, no matter how much it excites you.
“Shee shouldn’t have been an activist against genocide because it hurt my team’s chance of winning!”
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It wouldn’t. If anything, she would have just been a more competent steward of the genocidal empire who would have avoided the massive push back against Israel that liberals started doing only after Trump was in power.
You really have to be a truly loathsome piece of inhuman scum to get huffy about people but supporting genocide.
Just outright coming out and saying it now: Democracy is apparently when I have to vote for your Nazi monster, and if I vote for someone else I’m not “participating”. Fuck off you fascist pig. One day I hope your “participation in democracy” is you kneeling over a ditch.
Fuck off. Just because you’re an ideologically intractable fascist who makes it a point of pride that they can’t be convinced by reason doesn’t mean everyone else is also a loathsome demon.
America made doing a new Holocaust bipartisan policy and you’re sulking that people who hate your guts and will celebrate your death didn’t let your team be the one holding the lever at the gas chamber just because you told them they had to.
Sure, I’m the fascist, meanwhile you’re gleefully hoping I get killed by Trump goons that you helped put in power.