Hidden cameras and recordings have been things for like 100 years.
Edit and privacy law’s reflect that.
Also everyone is literally constantly pointing a camera at you in public with their phones. Public places don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Yeah I believe it is a problem, but not a new one. It’s just made it tiny bit more convenient for the richer perverts, that’s all. (Although I noticed in my years of driving taxis a (spurious?) correlation between rich and perverted. And that definition for me does not include any of what the right would consider perverted, like most LGBTQ+ even in party getup)
It’s like saying I’m dismissing uber-drivers getting robbed, because taxing drivers were robbed for literacy centuries before the invention of uber. Except that’s a bad analogy, since uber needs your details whereas you can just hop into a taxi easily and anonymously.
But idk, porch pirates were a thing before amazon delivery was so popular, now they’re more plentiful, despite increase in doorbell cams.
I’m not dismissing privacy invasions casually. I’m pointing out that the problems isn’t new
In the 90’s and 00’s there was a “video voyeurism” panic even, because the huge shoulderheld cameras became smaller and in the early noughts you already had tiny spycam gadgets. Disney world upskirting, upskirting on the streets, definitely harassing masseuses, etc.
Because I think you’d agree that this was before smartphones or smartglasses, since it’s from 2003 and we all know congresses of any sort aren’t quick to do anything:
##Congress Criminalizes Video Voyeurism
On September 21, the House approved, by voice vote, a bill (S. 1301) aimed at preventing video voyeurism. The Senate approved the measure on September 25, 2003 (see The Source, 9/26/03). It will now go to the White House for President Bush’s signature.
Sponsored by Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act would make it a federal crime to knowingly “capture,” by videotaping, filming, or photographing, an “improper image” of another individual, defined in the bill as “an image, captured without the consent of that individual, of the naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or female breast of that individual.” The term “broadcast” means electronically transmitting a visual image “with the intent that it be viewed by a person or persons.” In order to convict an offender of video voyeurism, prosecutors would have to show that the individual knowingly intended to capture the image.
Del. Donna Christensen (D-VI) said that video voyeurism “is a serious crime, the extent of which has been greatly exacerbated by the Internet. Because of Internet technology, the pictures that a voyeur captures can be disseminated to a worldwide audience in a matter of seconds. As a result, individuals in the victims’ rights community have labeled video voyeurism ‘the new frontier of stalking.’”
Stressing the need for a federal law criminalizing video voyeurism, Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) explained that many states “have passed laws that target video voyeurism to protect those in private areas, but there are fewer protections for those who may be photographed in compromising positions in public places. S. 1301 makes the acts of video voyeurism illegal on Federal lands such as national parks and Federal buildings, using the well-accepted legal concept that individuals are entitled to a reasonable expectation of privacy. It also serves as model legislation for States that have not yet enacted their own laws or need to update existing laws to account for the rapid spread of camera technology.”
It’s still a problem which needs to be addressed, but banning smart glasses is hardly the solution, because a) bans don’t really work that well and b) because it’s just an empty gesture for the most part, since the dedicated perverts still have their ways.
pointing to the problems of the 90’s and 00’s is hilariously bad comparison. those devices were 320x200 or 640x480, not HD, 4k etc.
it’s facile and stupid to compare these as if they’re the same thing; and furthermore, the form factor and ability to disable to recording light - no, it’s not nearly the same fucking thing.
How exactly did I defend anyone by showing you laws against “creeps” from prolly before you were born? You’re just pissy I proved you so thoroughly wrong. Those aren’t even the first privacy laws, they’re just one example.
To think that voyeurism as a problem has just arrived because of fking meta-glasses is so childish and you’re having a tantrum because you don’t want to admit to being wrong in public.
you dumbfuck, I’ve been photographing on film since the 80s. I spent ages doing just black and white hand developed large format photography. to answer your silly question, it’s impossible to say -
perfectly exposed? where the developer didn’t need to push or pull? the resolution is incredible. off a spy camera like a minox? well that depends on if it’s a 8x11mm or 35mm, but the aperture is so tiny, restricting the amount of light on the negative that resolution isn’t really a concern.
NONE OF THIS CHANGES YOUR STUPIDITY, YOU GODDAMN TOOLBAG. keep working for the creeps
answer your silly question, it’s impossible to say -
No shit, Sherlock.
Which is why your complaint that bringing up all the hundreds of fucking privacy laws which explicitly define privacy is “childish and facile” is goddamn hilarious.
You’re just a sore kid crying because he was wrong.
You’re an illiterate moron.
Try to recap your point. Wait, you have none, because you too have admitted that metas glasses aren’t in any way a new problem.
That’s like being so shittingly brainless that you’d argue that the drug trade was invented with tor-networks.
You have no point you have no argument you’re just moving the goalposts because your tiny little ego can’t take having been wrong. I sincerely do hope you’re a kid, because having a psyche like that as an adult would be pitiful.
Yeah but sunglasses make it very visible so people can’t pretend it doesn’t exist and have to confront how it feels to experience living in a surveillance state. They don’t like that.
Not really. The whole point is that they only feel uncomfortable when they can see it, so they fight to ensure it can’t be seen, not for it to not exist. The public are a disappointment clump of morons who constantly fuck over our collective futures.
Yes, that’s the point I was making. Trying to make, with sarcasm. Failed, I guess. It’s stupid as shit to panic now and getting rid of some glasses won’t get rid of perverts recording in secret. Literally been an issue since the invention of photography.
Also, phones are cameras. And very visible.
So like, dumb people can think what they think, I just don’t have the energy to fight it anymore. Well not as much as I used to anyway
Places which you aren’t allowed to film on the street?
Because no matter how furiously you google, a majority of the world allows it. Who doesn’t are like Chinese and Russians, but even they only limit it in certain cities / landmarks. So in a country like North Korea, you’d have “reasonable expectation of privacy”, except ofc you don’t it’s a totalitarian dictatorship.
Every single photographer knows this. Or should know it at least, basic laws covering privacy.
In general, one cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy for things put into a public space.
And there’s nothing in the GDPR that would ban filming in public or say that in public one could reasonably expect privacy. The exception is you can’t use that material for commercial purposes without a permit. But it’s completely fine for personal use.
Switzerland; you have to ask persons on the image for permission. Some exceptions (like events, lamdscape) apply. And shops, companies, have to follow rules, how much public space is permitted and how long they can keep them. Germany has similiar rules. Austria and France i’m not sure.
Lol, no. You’re just wrong. You think its not allowed to film on the street when you’re in Switzerland? That you’d need to stop every single person and ask for their permission? If you genuinely believe that, then you’re not the sharpest pen in the case.
Germany the same.
You need to ask for permission if you go up to someone’s face and make them the primary target of your filming. But for just general filming for personal use, nope, you’re wrong, it’s allowed in public.
Why don’t you google shit before being so incorrect publicly?
Or perhaps did some hardcore googling where you don’t actually look for info on the subject, but instead decide how a thing is and then google to find any random post on some forum agreeing with it, without sources.
It’s the same law I mentioned earlier. These have been accounted for decades before you were even born, and it honestly would’ve been really easy for you to figure that out instead of just trying to prove your delusions correct. Perhaps you asked an LLM with a prompt that already had it as an assumption and then it hallucinated a bunch of shit. But yeah, you’re wrong.
Hidden cameras and recordings have been things for like 100 years.
Edit and privacy law’s reflect that.
Also everyone is literally constantly pointing a camera at you in public with their phones. Public places don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
this seems to be an actual problem.
https://www.404media.co/metas-ray-ban-glasses-users-film-and-harass-massage-parlor-workers/
surprised so many dismiss it so casually
Yeah I believe it is a problem, but not a new one. It’s just made it tiny bit more convenient for the richer perverts, that’s all. (Although I noticed in my years of driving taxis a (spurious?) correlation between rich and perverted. And that definition for me does not include any of what the right would consider perverted, like most LGBTQ+ even in party getup)
It’s like saying I’m dismissing uber-drivers getting robbed, because taxing drivers were robbed for literacy centuries before the invention of uber. Except that’s a bad analogy, since uber needs your details whereas you can just hop into a taxi easily and anonymously.
But idk, porch pirates were a thing before amazon delivery was so popular, now they’re more plentiful, despite increase in doorbell cams.
I’m not dismissing privacy invasions casually. I’m pointing out that the problems isn’t new
In the 90’s and 00’s there was a “video voyeurism” panic even, because the huge shoulderheld cameras became smaller and in the early noughts you already had tiny spycam gadgets. Disney world upskirting, upskirting on the streets, definitely harassing masseuses, etc.
Because I think you’d agree that this was before smartphones or smartglasses, since it’s from 2003 and we all know congresses of any sort aren’t quick to do anything:
##Congress Criminalizes Video Voyeurism
https://www.wcpinst.org/source/congress-criminalizes-video-voyeurism/?hl=en-GB
It’s still a problem which needs to be addressed, but banning smart glasses is hardly the solution, because a) bans don’t really work that well and b) because it’s just an empty gesture for the most part, since the dedicated perverts still have their ways.
pointing to the problems of the 90’s and 00’s is hilariously bad comparison. those devices were 320x200 or 640x480, not HD, 4k etc.
it’s facile and stupid to compare these as if they’re the same thing; and furthermore, the form factor and ability to disable to recording light - no, it’s not nearly the same fucking thing.
creep defenders gonna defend creeps I guess.
Fucking lol.
What you’re doing is “moving the goalposts”.
I’ll answer anyway; do you know what the resolution of an analog camera is, dipshit?
(edit, this is literally 90 years old)
How exactly did I defend anyone by showing you laws against “creeps” from prolly before you were born? You’re just pissy I proved you so thoroughly wrong. Those aren’t even the first privacy laws, they’re just one example.
To think that voyeurism as a problem has just arrived because of fking meta-glasses is so childish and you’re having a tantrum because you don’t want to admit to being wrong in public.
you dumbfuck, I’ve been photographing on film since the 80s. I spent ages doing just black and white hand developed large format photography. to answer your silly question, it’s impossible to say -
perfectly exposed? where the developer didn’t need to push or pull? the resolution is incredible. off a spy camera like a minox? well that depends on if it’s a 8x11mm or 35mm, but the aperture is so tiny, restricting the amount of light on the negative that resolution isn’t really a concern.
NONE OF THIS CHANGES YOUR STUPIDITY, YOU GODDAMN TOOLBAG. keep working for the creeps
No shit, Sherlock.
Which is why your complaint that bringing up all the hundreds of fucking privacy laws which explicitly define privacy is “childish and facile” is goddamn hilarious.
You’re just a sore kid crying because he was wrong.
You’re an illiterate moron.
Try to recap your point. Wait, you have none, because you too have admitted that metas glasses aren’t in any way a new problem.
That’s like being so shittingly brainless that you’d argue that the drug trade was invented with tor-networks.
You have no point you have no argument you’re just moving the goalposts because your tiny little ego can’t take having been wrong. I sincerely do hope you’re a kid, because having a psyche like that as an adult would be pitiful.
Yeah but sunglasses make it very visible so people can’t pretend it doesn’t exist and have to confront how it feels to experience living in a surveillance state. They don’t like that.
I mean… if they’re only now starting to notice and get uncomfortable, then, well. I guess just, good on them, for finally noticing?
Not really. The whole point is that they only feel uncomfortable when they can see it, so they fight to ensure it can’t be seen, not for it to not exist. The public are a disappointment clump of morons who constantly fuck over our collective futures.
Yes, that’s the point I was making. Trying to make, with sarcasm. Failed, I guess. It’s stupid as shit to panic now and getting rid of some glasses won’t get rid of perverts recording in secret. Literally been an issue since the invention of photography.
Also, phones are cameras. And very visible.
So like, dumb people can think what they think, I just don’t have the energy to fight it anymore. Well not as much as I used to anyway
Not where you live at least.
Tell me a place which does.
Places which you aren’t allowed to film on the street?
Because no matter how furiously you google, a majority of the world allows it. Who doesn’t are like Chinese and Russians, but even they only limit it in certain cities / landmarks. So in a country like North Korea, you’d have “reasonable expectation of privacy”, except ofc you don’t it’s a totalitarian dictatorship.
Every single photographer knows this. Or should know it at least, basic laws covering privacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_expectation_of_privacy
“But that’s just America”
Yeah I’m not American. I most intimately know Finnish laws and while there’s a million Karens who get upset if they think they’re being filmed (especially cops, I went to the supreme court and won when they prevented me from filming in my phone).
And there’s nothing in the GDPR that would ban filming in public or say that in public one could reasonably expect privacy. The exception is you can’t use that material for commercial purposes without a permit. But it’s completely fine for personal use.
Switzerland; you have to ask persons on the image for permission. Some exceptions (like events, lamdscape) apply. And shops, companies, have to follow rules, how much public space is permitted and how long they can keep them. Germany has similiar rules. Austria and France i’m not sure.
Lol, no. You’re just wrong. You think its not allowed to film on the street when you’re in Switzerland? That you’d need to stop every single person and ask for their permission? If you genuinely believe that, then you’re not the sharpest pen in the case.
Germany the same.
You need to ask for permission if you go up to someone’s face and make them the primary target of your filming. But for just general filming for personal use, nope, you’re wrong, it’s allowed in public.
Why don’t you google shit before being so incorrect publicly?
Or perhaps did some hardcore googling where you don’t actually look for info on the subject, but instead decide how a thing is and then google to find any random post on some forum agreeing with it, without sources.
It’s the same law I mentioned earlier. These have been accounted for decades before you were even born, and it honestly would’ve been really easy for you to figure that out instead of just trying to prove your delusions correct. Perhaps you asked an LLM with a prompt that already had it as an assumption and then it hallucinated a bunch of shit. But yeah, you’re wrong.