If you learned a bit more about the Ukraine war you would realize they are right there as well. Ukraine was overtaken by a CIA backed Nazi coup in 2014 and was built up by NATO to invade and balkanize Russia, starting by cleansing all the ethnic Russians in the Donbas regions. Tens of thousands dead by Nazi hands before Russia intervened. If anything Putin is too soft and too late, he should have hardened his heart earlier and done what was needed before it could fester and entrench itself to the extent it did but he kept getting strung along by the fake Minsk agreements (which Merkel later openly admitted were done in bad faith and perfidiously to buy time to arm Ukrainian nazis)
Isnt it weird how you ignored this and focused on doing word salad? It’s almost like you have no actual material argument and are focusing on waxing poetic over something that hasn’t happened.
The crux is not in your wet dreams of evil “Ruzzian” backstabbing the crux is in what’s happening in real life.
I ignored it because the last several times I engaged in good faith, there was never really much evidence of what they claim. Like I’ve seen the same 4-5 pictures of Ukrainians with Nazi symbols, including some groups of like a couple dozen, and it’s obviously problematic, but they claim it’s systemic and provide anecdotal evidence. There’s never anything concrete, so it goes nowhere in the end, and the core point that just because they’re right to move away from the US doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to move toward Russia, gets lost. We can argue shades of who’s worse, and maybe you’re technically right, but I think that largely comes down to opportunity. The US has the capacity to get away with more shit, so they do more shit. If you diminish the US by building up Russia, Russia will likewise gain the capacity to get away with more shit and do more shit. I get the anger, but I think people get so upset with the US, they mistake their enemy’s enemy for a friend instead of just two of their enemies fighting over who gets to own them.
Modern Ukraine is an undead slave state. Undead as in even if all Ukrainian soldiers became unkillable supermen, the population demographics of the nation and the privatization from US imperialist entities like Blackrock will doom any potential recovery of Ukraine that gives autonomy to Ukrainian people. The people who have fled will not come back (the smart ones are in Russia as they will avoid the blowback that goes westward) and the people who have stayed are not enough to build back due to the draft and the destroyed infrastructure.
Slave as in, even with all this, the Kiev government will not entertain any form of negotiations. Instead, “Bussification” has emerged as Ukrainian men, no matter if they are unfit, are kidnapped by the state and forced into the front lines. This is not a democratic choice considering zelensky’s refusal to hold elections (which even Putin is capable of doing). It was the choice of the imperial core to force Ukraine to sacrifice its own existence for nothing in return. Americans are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian after all.
In comparison, Russians volunteer and you can live your life in Russia without it being centered on the war. Besides the sanctions turning off western social media, life stays the same. Putin is still overwhelmingly popular and there is no real opposition party. You can be a shitlib, a trans anarchist or a orthodox conservative and the domestic social dynamics have not changed due to the war. But in Ukraine, anyone who is not trusted is labeled a separatist with droves of ready brown shirts willing to force you to submit. Even speaking Russian is anti-Ukrainian even though most of the population can speak both languages.
Russia has a right to defend itself and its people. Ukraine has never had a choice.
Do you have anything not in video form? I prefer more verifiable sources. Some dude with a camera and a copy of video editing software makes a claim, and I either gotta take it at face value as truth or start trying to figure out how to verify it, every time he claims something. I’ve seen way too many dudes lie that way to just trust it.
The documentary is from a Ukrainian activist in hiding, but all of the events shown really did happen unless you are claiming that its either doctored or shown out of context.
and I either gotta take it at face value as truth
Everyone is lying to you, don’t worry about it. Enjoy your life and stop struggling. Slava ukraini
5 pictures? Try 500,000, every single picture coming out of Ukraine has them. Even with the complicit Western press censoring and hiding them, half of the photos in their articles still show nazi-aligned symbols. They often take down their stories and photos when this is pointed out and put up new ones. Why does this keep happening even with the media that is in their corner?
Before 2022 there were hundreds of articles in the Western media about Ukraine’s Nazi problem, how systematic their infiltration into the Maidan government was. Then after the invasion in 2022, they were all memory-holed and deleted. You can only find them in archives now.
Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe, with the most human trafficking - predominantly done by government connected Nazi gangs.
Ukraine is Zionist and a close ally of fascist Israel. Zelenskyy has stated his goal is “to become the Israel of Europe”. This alone is adequate justification for destroying their state to prevent this from forming. They vote in the UN alongside Israel and the US for genocide, and they vote in the UN against condemning Nazism.
Nothing systemic about the Nazi government? Are you aware of who runs the interior ministry, the SBD and Ukrainian police since 2014? All outright swastika tatted neo-Nazis, many of them jailed for murder, trafficking or corruption before 2014 and then released. Over 20 neo-Nazi organizations and militias have been absorbed into the official military, their leaders all promoted to positions of command and they are allowed to keep their Nazi insignia. They name streets after Bandera and other fascists who fought alongside the Nazis, and openly proclaim them as official state heroes. They run Nazi youth training camps for children where they heil Hitler and Bandera. They released Tornado units from jail who were imprisoned for sexual assault and murder to use as fighters. It was Nazi snipers who instigated the 2014 coup and Nazi militants who burned down the Trade Hall in Odessa, slaughtering the trade unionists inside. neither of which were punished by the new Nazi state installed by the CIA. Want me to keep going? What will convince you, do you need them to have swastikas on their foreheads or what? Do you want lists of names and nazi orgs? I can provide walls of text.
There has never been a more Nazi nation in existence except the original Nazis. They are not hiding it you just refuse to see.
It’s called making an argument using facts. As opposed to you, who makes no claims whatsoever and only waxed poetically about idealism without any connection to actual events. At least I’m talking about planet earth. Do you want wall of texts of links? Is that what would make you happy? You would come up with some other deflection and not look at them after I spend a couple hours aggregating them anyway, which is why I generally haven’t bothered, because Liberal like you don’t generally read or care.
Is it using facts? Am I supposed to just take you at your word because you said it? Like I’ve already said, I’ve heard the claims, but nobody ever has the proof at hand. When they can muster anything at all, it’s typically tangential at best. I’m willing to look at evidence, but if you expect me not to be critical of something just because it says something you agree with and want me to believe, I have bad news for you.
Isnt it weird how you ignored this and focused on doing word salad? It’s almost like you have no actual material argument and are focusing on waxing poetic over something that hasn’t happened.
The crux is not in your wet dreams of evil “Ruzzian” backstabbing the crux is in what’s happening in real life.
I ignored it because the last several times I engaged in good faith, there was never really much evidence of what they claim. Like I’ve seen the same 4-5 pictures of Ukrainians with Nazi symbols, including some groups of like a couple dozen, and it’s obviously problematic, but they claim it’s systemic and provide anecdotal evidence. There’s never anything concrete, so it goes nowhere in the end, and the core point that just because they’re right to move away from the US doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to move toward Russia, gets lost. We can argue shades of who’s worse, and maybe you’re technically right, but I think that largely comes down to opportunity. The US has the capacity to get away with more shit, so they do more shit. If you diminish the US by building up Russia, Russia will likewise gain the capacity to get away with more shit and do more shit. I get the anger, but I think people get so upset with the US, they mistake their enemy’s enemy for a friend instead of just two of their enemies fighting over who gets to own them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZwLA869Sc
Ukrainian-created documentary translated into English. Also look up the Odessa Trade Union Massacre
Modern Ukraine is an undead slave state. Undead as in even if all Ukrainian soldiers became unkillable supermen, the population demographics of the nation and the privatization from US imperialist entities like Blackrock will doom any potential recovery of Ukraine that gives autonomy to Ukrainian people. The people who have fled will not come back (the smart ones are in Russia as they will avoid the blowback that goes westward) and the people who have stayed are not enough to build back due to the draft and the destroyed infrastructure.
Slave as in, even with all this, the Kiev government will not entertain any form of negotiations. Instead, “Bussification” has emerged as Ukrainian men, no matter if they are unfit, are kidnapped by the state and forced into the front lines. This is not a democratic choice considering zelensky’s refusal to hold elections (which even Putin is capable of doing). It was the choice of the imperial core to force Ukraine to sacrifice its own existence for nothing in return. Americans are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian after all.
In comparison, Russians volunteer and you can live your life in Russia without it being centered on the war. Besides the sanctions turning off western social media, life stays the same. Putin is still overwhelmingly popular and there is no real opposition party. You can be a shitlib, a trans anarchist or a orthodox conservative and the domestic social dynamics have not changed due to the war. But in Ukraine, anyone who is not trusted is labeled a separatist with droves of ready brown shirts willing to force you to submit. Even speaking Russian is anti-Ukrainian even though most of the population can speak both languages.
Russia has a right to defend itself and its people. Ukraine has never had a choice.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Do you have anything not in video form? I prefer more verifiable sources. Some dude with a camera and a copy of video editing software makes a claim, and I either gotta take it at face value as truth or start trying to figure out how to verify it, every time he claims something. I’ve seen way too many dudes lie that way to just trust it.
The documentary is from a Ukrainian activist in hiding, but all of the events shown really did happen unless you are claiming that its either doctored or shown out of context.
Everyone is lying to you, don’t worry about it. Enjoy your life and stop struggling. Slava ukraini
5 pictures? Try 500,000, every single picture coming out of Ukraine has them. Even with the complicit Western press censoring and hiding them, half of the photos in their articles still show nazi-aligned symbols. They often take down their stories and photos when this is pointed out and put up new ones. Why does this keep happening even with the media that is in their corner?
Before 2022 there were hundreds of articles in the Western media about Ukraine’s Nazi problem, how systematic their infiltration into the Maidan government was. Then after the invasion in 2022, they were all memory-holed and deleted. You can only find them in archives now.
Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe, with the most human trafficking - predominantly done by government connected Nazi gangs.
Ukraine is Zionist and a close ally of fascist Israel. Zelenskyy has stated his goal is “to become the Israel of Europe”. This alone is adequate justification for destroying their state to prevent this from forming. They vote in the UN alongside Israel and the US for genocide, and they vote in the UN against condemning Nazism.
Nothing systemic about the Nazi government? Are you aware of who runs the interior ministry, the SBD and Ukrainian police since 2014? All outright swastika tatted neo-Nazis, many of them jailed for murder, trafficking or corruption before 2014 and then released. Over 20 neo-Nazi organizations and militias have been absorbed into the official military, their leaders all promoted to positions of command and they are allowed to keep their Nazi insignia. They name streets after Bandera and other fascists who fought alongside the Nazis, and openly proclaim them as official state heroes. They run Nazi youth training camps for children where they heil Hitler and Bandera. They released Tornado units from jail who were imprisoned for sexual assault and murder to use as fighters. It was Nazi snipers who instigated the 2014 coup and Nazi militants who burned down the Trade Hall in Odessa, slaughtering the trade unionists inside. neither of which were punished by the new Nazi state installed by the CIA. Want me to keep going? What will convince you, do you need them to have swastikas on their foreheads or what? Do you want lists of names and nazi orgs? I can provide walls of text.
There has never been a more Nazi nation in existence except the original Nazis. They are not hiding it you just refuse to see.
Oh hey, look, exactly what I said happens every time, a whole bunch of claims with zero evidence at all.
It’s called making an argument using facts. As opposed to you, who makes no claims whatsoever and only waxed poetically about idealism without any connection to actual events. At least I’m talking about planet earth. Do you want wall of texts of links? Is that what would make you happy? You would come up with some other deflection and not look at them after I spend a couple hours aggregating them anyway, which is why I generally haven’t bothered, because Liberal like you don’t generally read or care.
Is it using facts? Am I supposed to just take you at your word because you said it? Like I’ve already said, I’ve heard the claims, but nobody ever has the proof at hand. When they can muster anything at all, it’s typically tangential at best. I’m willing to look at evidence, but if you expect me not to be critical of something just because it says something you agree with and want me to believe, I have bad news for you.