• Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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      Despite being substantially less bad than the US it certainly shouldn’t be seen as an example.
      As we are, like the rest of Europe a vassal state of your regime and are being dragged down with them and sacrificed solely for the benefit and imperialist aspirations of your regime.
      The answer to your problems is very simple in theory and has been suggested here and in plenty other places.
      Drop both sides of the uniparty.
      From the expected reactions here it’s clear that this is not going to happen.
      americans are simply to propagandized and conditioned.
      You can’t help people that don’t want to be helped.
      While many ML patiently and thoroughly explain what needs to be done they refuse these answers.
      I admire their persistence but I have lost the energy to keep on trying.
      IMO you are no longer victims of your system when you continue to support that system and are de facto collaborators and complicit in their actions.
      Then I would rather pragmatically see you destroy yourselves so you at least stop being the cancer of the world.

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        5 days ago

        If Belgium shouldn’t be seen as an example, I have some additional follow-up.

        How would you suggest to drop the two party system (or unitary, as you believe they’re the same; certainly the political class as a whole is aligned with the oligarchy in the US, and our class struggle is against that as a whole, but I think we disagree in that I find the real world effect of one party in America in particular is worse than the other), in real, practical steps? Do you reject those working toward that goal simply because they’re not there yet, or have a view of how to get there that doesn’t necessarily match yours? It seems if you truly want to effect change, you would support those who share the same end goal, and attempt to persuade them to your preferred way to accomplish that goal, and you, as it stands, should of course be executing your preferred manner.

        Also, by the logic you seem to be using, if you still exist in your vassal state, then you must be de facto a collaborator and complicit in their actions. You are no longer a victim of the system that you are in part railing against. I think, then, you must pragmatically wish for your state to also destroy itself. If instead I’ve misunderstood and you’re interested in supporting the workers in their class struggle in real and practical ways, then we’re very much fighting the same fight for the same goal.

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          The fact that one faction of your uniparty is worse does not make one bit of difference when they both move in the same direction and one side is merely driving the car off the cliff at a slower speed.
          Choosing that option instead inhibiting the very simple 3rd party solution is being complicit.
          They are not part of “those working toward that goal”, on the contrary.
          I imagine the percentage of the striving towards a real left solution is a low single digit number.
          Even then, I’ve seen multiple parties here, like real left, extreme right (unfortunately) or green grow from the same depressing numbers to big parties.
          But americans have been incapable of even trying, and this for more than 2 centuries.
          Now they’re finally at the (pre)fascist state and even then their ‘actions’ are embarrassing, futile and ineffective.
          Truly hopeless.
          It’s not my country so I am fine with seeing it collapse, as I said, there are but a few unfortunate collateral victims while it’s a huge benefit for the world.
          The second best solution.

          And your logic is faulty in many ways.
          I don’t vote for our lesser evil parties so I am in no way complicit.
          That is only the sell-out government and those supporting it.
          And yes I wish for them to be gone, especially the EU.
          Which will become a lot easier once the USSA and its cancerous influence stops.
          The difference is Europeans actually do class struggle, unlike americans.
          The many commenting here thinking they’re leftists and choosing the lesser evil are nothing to support.
          We are certainly not working for the same goal.