• Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
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    The problem for me is that USA, one of the richest country in the world, has constantly, democratically and collectively kept voting against universal healthcare. I feel for this person but it’s the choice of this country, shoting CEOs won’t fix it.

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      It’s just a symptom of the fucked up system we’re in. Something like >70% of the americans want universal healthcare. Having a representative instead of a direct democracy already neuters the population’s power, and then you throw in everything else like the first-past-the-post system that ensures two parties, and rich fucks controlling both parties easily, and thus both parties having no incentive to meaningfully help the population, and so on and so forth ad nauseam.

      Blaming the population as a whole is accurate, but also denying the way the system is set up.

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        There’s also the propaganda problem. Americans have to be some of the most propagandized people among countries with a supposedly “free press”.

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      Over 90% of Democrats, 50% of independents, and even 30% of Republicans want universal healthcare. (check your favorite poll there are many).

      The citizens of the USA have constantly, democratically, and collectively voted FOR universal healthcare, repeatedly, in the only ways they can legally do so.

      If our system was democratic, we’d have universal healthcare already. Unfortunately, it’s not.

      Democratic leadership has ignored 90% of their own registered voters (and the 30% Rs and 50% independents)… just as they ignore 70% support for higher minimum wages. Republicans also ignore their own constituents.

      Anyway, massive public support for universal healthcare, higher minimum wage, ending support of Israel, and so on. There’s nothing democratic or collective about any of this. Open your eyes.

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        Sure, but why don’t all do something about it? Many other countries have, while not being as rich.

        At the end of the day a guy that is explicitly against it won the popular vote, and still have at least 40% of approvals, on bad days, that’s what I’m saying.

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          Biden was also elected, if you recall. No universal healthcare. No raised minimum wage. Wake up.

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            I’m not american dude, we have healthcare in Canada. That said, Biden wasn a pedophile so there’s that at least.

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          Are you implying that his opponents were even remotely pro universal health care? Because they weren’t.

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              I’m pointing out that him winning or not has nothing to do with universal health care, because no one on the ballot is pro universal healthcare.

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                I mean ok if you want lol. trump and Harris are exactly the same, you’re all victims and there’s nothing your citizens can do to get universal healthcare. So keep doing it american style and hope someone will shoot all CEOs, that’s your best option I guess.

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                  Why do you have to think in such extremes? I’m not saying Trump and Harris are the same at all. But regarding support of universal health care, they are. That is to say, none. Universal health care hasn’t been on the ballot at least since Clinton (the Epstein island one), maybe longer. It’s kind of silly to blame voters for not voting for a candidate that literally does not exist.

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                    When you vote for someone who is EXPLICITLY against universal healthcare, you take a stand. And I’m no expert but didn’t Obama tried to do something but ended up being constantly blocked by the democratically elected congress?

                    What makes the USA so special that it would be impossible to have free healthcare? Cuba has it. You make it sound like your all victims but the facts are a majority of your voters made their choices over and over. And it’s funny or you seem to only blames your democrats.

                    If your democracy is broken do something about it. You’re no victims, you collectively create all of this.