I’m still not sure I follow what group counts as liberal on different parts of Lemmy, but does liberal to you include e.g. democratic socialists? Social democrats? Non-revolutionary socialist orgs?
The context of the post and comment are about liberal zionism, and the extended context is that a liberal zionist is just as bad as a fascist, which is true. The big common denominator (amongst many other things) being genocide.
Israel has been largely headed by liberal zionists for the majority of it’s genocidal colonial history so far. It’s only recently that the rightwing have gained the majority they enjoy now. And they both agree on the genocide, just differ on the optics and language used.
But the working class struggle that the comment mentioned is of course bigger than the genocide. Since they mentioned it, I wanted to learn more about their position. Discussing socialism and unionisation in the context of the class struggle does not diminish the genocide in Palestine.
It was not at all meant as a gotcha. Let me reformulate: “Which issues in particular are you referring to? The class struggle leads to a plethora of important societal issues to address, and I am interested in hearing some particular examples. One such example could be the issue of unionisation, which holds a great deal of nuance across political contexts around the world, and therefore is a particularly interesting microcosm of this particular topic.”
If I had known that my question would be understood as hostile, I would certainly have put in more time to clarify what I meant. I’m still not sure why my question is hostile?
Issues like what? Unionisation?
Like ownership of the means of production
As in whether it should be owned by the workers, or whether it can be seized through non-violent means?
It can’t be seized through non-violent means unfortunately. The Bourgeoise won’t allow that
The former
I’m still not sure I follow what group counts as liberal on different parts of Lemmy, but does liberal to you include e.g. democratic socialists? Social democrats? Non-revolutionary socialist orgs?
Or are liberals free-market small-state types?
Social democrats yes, democratic socialists no. Liberals are pro private ownership of the means of production.
I think you misspelled “genocide”
Fuck Zionists, but surely it’s bigger than that.
The context of the post and comment are about liberal zionism, and the extended context is that a liberal zionist is just as bad as a fascist, which is true. The big common denominator (amongst many other things) being genocide.
Israel has been largely headed by liberal zionists for the majority of it’s genocidal colonial history so far. It’s only recently that the rightwing have gained the majority they enjoy now. And they both agree on the genocide, just differ on the optics and language used.
I agree.
But the working class struggle that the comment mentioned is of course bigger than the genocide. Since they mentioned it, I wanted to learn more about their position. Discussing socialism and unionisation in the context of the class struggle does not diminish the genocide in Palestine.
The working class struggle and the genocide are the same struggle.
Idk I don’t think anything is bigger than genocide
Back to the kids’ table, precious.
Can we not discuss like adults?
Certainly! You can start by asking fully formed questions instead of just saying the word “unionisation” like it’s some sort of ‘gotcha’.
It was not at all meant as a gotcha. Let me reformulate: “Which issues in particular are you referring to? The class struggle leads to a plethora of important societal issues to address, and I am interested in hearing some particular examples. One such example could be the issue of unionisation, which holds a great deal of nuance across political contexts around the world, and therefore is a particularly interesting microcosm of this particular topic.”
If I had known that my question would be understood as hostile, I would certainly have put in more time to clarify what I meant. I’m still not sure why my question is hostile?