• Paragone@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    I’d actually want a “No Supremacists Allowed: including zionists, christofascists, islamists, gender-supremacists, class-supremacists, dharmic-religion-supremacists, no actively-butchering-out-country-separatist treason-enacters, etc” policy.

    Let the rabid-ideologues not have any place to be, among our civilization.

    Let them exist only in their own little country.

    I want civilization to live, & they’re working at replacing it with their feudalisms.

    To hell with 'em.

    ( anybody who thinks that zionists & Jews are somehow identical, please look up Ultra-Orthodox Jews, like Rabbi Elhanan Beck, & his wish that Netanyahu’s “Israel” not exist.

    He pointed-out that there are 2-million Jews, but there are 16-million who identify as Jews, but who don’t hold to Jewish religion, or who have Jewish ancestry … but who don’t hold to Jewish religion.

    He points out that Netanyahu doesn’t even bother eating kosher: Netanyahu isn’t Jewish, he’s zionist.

    He also identifies that outside of Netanyahu’s “Israel”, anyone who looks like they’re Orthodox Jew, probably is. However in that place, then you’ve got zionist-settlers who dress the same way, & there you can’t identify which side someone is on, by the way they dress, because the bad-guys are wearing the good-guys’ labels/clothing/etc.

    That problem, of enemies wearing the same labels/flags/words is a problem in all sorts of domains, not only Judaism… Christian vs “Christian”, e.g.

    Please look him up: I learned much about what’s really going on, there, from the interviews of him.

    In my religion, “the holy land” is internal though, so I"m not certain my concept of holy-land would map into Judaism, at all…

    One’s pure openness of heart, to LivingSpirit, that is one’s Holy Land.

    All geopolitical-lands are worldly-lands, not The Holy Land, in this view…

    Anyways, he seems a truly good guy, & you may recognize him by his ultra-Orthodox Jewish clothing, & his colorful Palestine button, which he wears gladly. )

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      15 days ago

      Sorry, I’m on your side about the “No Supremacists Allowed"-policy, but the rest of your post is one “No True Scotsman”-fallacy after another. And if Rabbi Elhanan Beck makes these arguments he’s either intellectually lazy or vacuous and not a person anyone should listen to.

      • Netanyahu doesn’t need to adhere to the jewish religious practices and laws to be an ethnic jew, many jews are completely irreligious, would you deny them their jewdom?
      • Orthodox jews CAN be zionists, that doesn’t make them not orthodox, just supremacist assholes on top of it.
      • “Christians” are still christians, their beliefs are not more wrong than any other, just morally worse.
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        13 days ago

        no no no, you don’t understand. when I GENERALIZE THE PEOPLE IT’S GOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD. when they generalize me and mine or people I like, IT’S BAD.

        see, how perfectly logical and correct it is? and how smart and superior and moral I am for thinking this way?

        And if anyone on ‘MY SIDE’ ever does anything bad, it’s because they were never truly on my side, or it’s a false flag! Because me and mine can never be wrong or bad, because we are good. That includes discrimination, harassment, and violence. If we do it it’s GOOD.