Leaders of 9 European Union countries say they want a reinterpretation of the European Convention on Human Rights in order to better tackle irregular migration to the continent and effectively increase deportations.

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/64750219

  • The leaders said in an open letter made public in Rome on Thursday that interpretations of the rights convention by the European Court of Human Rights have limited the flexibility of national governments and prevented them from expelling migrants who commit crimes.

  • The letter was signed by leaders of Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland.

  • qyron@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    31·
    9 hours ago

    Very well.

    Let’s have all those people go back to the basic jobs: farming, hospitality, house cleaning, call centers, waste water management, garbage collection, recycling separation, etc, and see if they are willing to do it.

    Then we can have a proper conversation.

  • blackris@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    19·
    1 day ago

    Human Rights have limited the flexibility of national governments and prevented them from expelling migrants who commit crimes

    Oh no, those pesky human rights. What a horror!

    Maybe you fucking shits could try to get it together and make good politics that influence the lives of the people in a positive way instead of being useless fucks and loading every problem, you are to blame for, on immigrants. What a bunch of cunts!

  • latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    16·
    1 day ago

    So much fucking talk about how to slap people faster and more effectively, but zero talk of how to TEACH PEOPLE WHAT NOT TO DO IN ORDER TO NOT GET SLAPPED!

    I may be wrong, but I’ve never heard of a formal, structured accommodation program which would aid immigrants in assimilating the rules, customs, and general vibes of a country. Sure am fucking glad to see eveyone jumping to the punishment bit first!

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating for extra leniency when actual crimes are committed (if I get slapped for stealing, then everyone should get slapped for stealing, like), but I do believe there are situations in which ignorance of the rules does, actually, mean innocence from the crime.

    My whole point, we’re not even trying…

    • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      1 day ago

      Many of these European countries have these programs and many of the immigrants follow them. But there’s a lot of immigrants that don’t care. Especially refugees who have no interest in staying. So this isn’t just punishment without trying.

      • latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        9 hours ago

        Then I apologise for my ignorance of their existence!

        I must question their efficacy in terms of funding and structuring, though. Like, I’m not trying to be a contrarian, I just got used to how social programs are run around here. Europe is relatively more progressive, but we sure as hell ain’t there yet, if you get my meaning.

        I somehow suspect these programs are a handful of underfunded and overworked people who don’t have the resources to establish what would be a viable and actually helpful onboarding process for newbies…

        • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 hours ago

          I must question their efficacy in terms of funding and structuring, though. Like, I’m not trying to be a contrarian, I just got used to how social programs are run around here. Europe is relatively more progressive, but we sure as hell ain’t there yet, if you get my meaning.

          Social services such as these are well funded. The biggest problem is that there’s just so many immigrants and refugees because of bad situations in other countries. This makes it a slow process. The second biggest problem is housing. Most European countries have overcrowded refugee centers, which does not help.

          I somehow suspect these programs are a handful of underfunded and overworked people who don’t have the resources to establish what would be a viable and actually helpful onboarding process for newbies…

          In most European countries the middle class is extremely strong. The minimum wages provide enough to live decently. This reduces stress. Most social workers I speak with are chill, they don’t rush and take the time to help.

          Being able to help is another thing. As I said housing is not always possible, and people still have to do a lot of stuff themselves to get the help. They have to take lessons, talk with this institution for this and that institution for that, etc.

      • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
        3·
        23 hours ago

        Programs that are usually underfunded and overcrowded or people being kept in long waiting times, or people being kept from working legally so they cannot get the dignity of standing on their own feet while being forced to live in overcrowded and underfunded accommodations…

        I cant speak for all of these countries, but Poland for instance is notoriously bad. I know similar issues from Germany where also the crowd that wants to be “tough on migrant crime” wants to do nothing to improve the social economic conditions so people dont fall into crime.

        Almost as if crime isn’t the real issue there and they just look for an excuse to justify their racism.

  • Aku@lemm.eeEnglish
    211·
    1 day ago

    if you are criminal, your life is spent!

    • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
      21·
      23 hours ago

      I am fairly certain that if you had faced legal consequences for each and every violation of the laws of your country that you committed, your own logic would justify putting you behind bars forever.

    • anon6789@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      1 day ago

      It’s a good thing laws can’t arbitrarily be changed then, right?

      Oh, wait. This kind of thing is exactly about letting people do that so they can punish whomever they wish.