It was created by techbros for techbros and very early on taken over by the exact audience they didn’t want (i.e. lots of queer folks and progressive/borderline-leftist people). The selling point was the stronger moderation features: blocklists, detaching quote posts, etc. The userbase went to shit when the site opened up, no longer required invites, and liberals flooded it in November 2024, but keeping a following list small and subscribing to a shit ton of blocklists does make the site usable and still better than twitter’s nazi bar, but that’s not exactly a high bar to clear.
It’s technically decentralized but ATProto is dogshit and can hardly be considered a decentralized protocol. If the main site goes down, pretty much every independent host goes with it. The devs are also heavily on-board the AI train and proudly shout about how the whole site is practically vibecoded at this point while also cooling off their phones in the pool (something one of their most senior devs actually did).
Also the site barely fucking works lately lmao. The past two weeks it’s been borderline unusable because nothing will even load for most of the day. Incredible stuff.
Also worth noting that the devs and former CEO explicitly allowed actual high profile nazis like jesse singal to stick around, while they constantly ban Palestinians seeking aid and trans folks standing up for themselves. They’re omega pissed that they didn’t cultivate their crypto techbro audience they wanted from the beginning.
tldr it’s a mess. It’s better than twitter, but it’s still a giant fucking mess. why the internet seemed to collectively decide this was a better choice than say Mastodon is beyond me.
The block lists work both ways though. Yeah, it’s cool you can hit the “block the Nazis” button and it just does it. But say anything vaguely socialist, supportive of animal rights, etc and you’re getting put on the “commie vegan freak” list by some shithead that is going to cut you off from a significant portion of the site because people subscribe to those things without any real thought.
Yeah absolutely. I have no problem if people who subscribe to those sorts of lists block me out, I don’t use social media for outreach to strangers so the less liberals who see my posts the better, but it’s absolutely something to consider. And there have been numerous malicious blocklists where the creator will call it a nazi list and it’s actually a bunch of leftist trans folks or whatever. It’s not a feature that works without strong per-instance moderation, which bsky absolutely doesn’t have.
Lantian “Jay” Graber, the CEO of Bluesky, whose name (蓝天) literally translates to “Blue Sky” in English, was not involved with the website until after she joined and is purely co-incidental.
My understanding is that bluesky has full support for federation on a technical level. I would agree with describing it as fake federated, because probably over 90% of users/content are on the flagship instance. If the flagship instance defederates from yours you’ve probably lost most of the reasons you had for joining bluesky and will want to switch. If they change their mind entirely about federation, even the users you followed that weren’t on the flagship themselves will probably be switching over, so you’ve essentially lost your entire community unless you switch yourself. When one instance has most of the userbase, the whole network outside it can be killed if they decide to switch off federation.
This is actually why the join-lemmy site is coded to only display instances with under (iirc) 30% of the user share. Right now that’s .world that won’t show until their usershare drops under.
As far as why they would do that, I assume just as another way to market it? Probably hoping to syphon off some mastodon users or selfhosters at its inception to get the userbase growing.
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It was created by techbros for techbros and very early on taken over by the exact audience they didn’t want (i.e. lots of queer folks and progressive/borderline-leftist people). The selling point was the stronger moderation features: blocklists, detaching quote posts, etc. The userbase went to shit when the site opened up, no longer required invites, and liberals flooded it in November 2024, but keeping a following list small and subscribing to a shit ton of blocklists does make the site usable and still better than twitter’s nazi bar, but that’s not exactly a high bar to clear.
It’s technically decentralized but ATProto is dogshit and can hardly be considered a decentralized protocol. If the main site goes down, pretty much every independent host goes with it. The devs are also heavily on-board the AI train and proudly shout about how the whole site is practically vibecoded at this point while also cooling off their phones in the pool (something one of their most senior devs actually did).
Also the site barely fucking works lately lmao. The past two weeks it’s been borderline unusable because nothing will even load for most of the day. Incredible stuff.
Also worth noting that the devs and former CEO explicitly allowed actual high profile nazis like jesse singal to stick around, while they constantly ban Palestinians seeking aid and trans folks standing up for themselves. They’re omega pissed that they didn’t cultivate their crypto techbro audience they wanted from the beginning.
tldr it’s a mess. It’s better than twitter, but it’s still a giant fucking mess. why the internet seemed to collectively decide this was a better choice than say Mastodon is beyond me.
The block lists work both ways though. Yeah, it’s cool you can hit the “block the Nazis” button and it just does it. But say anything vaguely socialist, supportive of animal rights, etc and you’re getting put on the “commie vegan freak” list by some shithead that is going to cut you off from a significant portion of the site because people subscribe to those things without any real thought.
Yeah absolutely. I have no problem if people who subscribe to those sorts of lists block me out, I don’t use social media for outreach to strangers so the less liberals who see my posts the better, but it’s absolutely something to consider. And there have been numerous malicious blocklists where the creator will call it a nazi list and it’s actually a bunch of leftist trans folks or whatever. It’s not a feature that works without strong per-instance moderation, which bsky absolutely doesn’t have.
It might be as something simple as that Bluesky sounds better than Mastodon for a name (not judging either site I barely use them)
“Toots” and “Skeets” both sound like fetish shit that cause people to scatter when you whip out your phone. That can’t help.
Yeah not trying to argue but Mastodon to me sounds like a vehicle, a tank or outdoor wear. Not a social media site.
I like ATProto better than activitypub, but yeah Bsky is dog shit.
Unrelated to your other replies:
Lantian “Jay” Graber, the CEO of Bluesky, whose name (蓝天) literally translates to “Blue Sky” in English, was not involved with the website until after she joined and is purely co-incidental.
My understanding is that bluesky has full support for federation on a technical level. I would agree with describing it as fake federated, because probably over 90% of users/content are on the flagship instance. If the flagship instance defederates from yours you’ve probably lost most of the reasons you had for joining bluesky and will want to switch. If they change their mind entirely about federation, even the users you followed that weren’t on the flagship themselves will probably be switching over, so you’ve essentially lost your entire community unless you switch yourself. When one instance has most of the userbase, the whole network outside it can be killed if they decide to switch off federation.
This is actually why the join-lemmy site is coded to only display instances with under (iirc) 30% of the user share. Right now that’s .world that won’t show until their usershare drops under.
As far as why they would do that, I assume just as another way to market it? Probably hoping to syphon off some mastodon users or selfhosters at its inception to get the userbase growing.