So self driving car brands are currently in the process of offering subscription based self driving features.
Soon these subscriptions will be cheap enough for everybody to abandon public transport and get into their self driving cars instead.
This means that everybody will be in their cars and it will create the biggest traffic jam in human history!
And finally, self-driving cars will be totally safe and able to drive completely unsupervised! While standing still in traffic going an average of 5 km/h…
It will be beautiful (/s)
If all cars were driven with good autonomous features (we’re a long way off) there would be no traffic. Traffic is solely due to human error
No, that’s not how traffic works. That’s like saying a pipe can flow an infinite amount of fluid when you used a liquid instead of a gas because you got rid of the empty space between particles.
Even with theoretically-perfect timing and control, the road still has a finite capacity because cars take up a certain amount of space, both stationary and moving (following distance is still a thing even with computer control because of the mechanical limitations of brake performance). Moreover, it isn’t that much higher than we can manage with humans driving the vehicles already.
The only ways to exceed that limit are to make the vehicles smaller (e.g. bikes) or pack more people into them (e.g. buses or trains).
Traffic is massively impacted by people breaking after ending up too close to another vehicle. There are great demonstration videos in the late 90s / early 2000s demonstrating this. I don’t anticipate me stating this fact to gain any support, because, you know, Lemmy says AI bad no matter what.
You’re right: when traffic is at its critical density, that’s often what triggers the shift from the free-flow regime to the congested regime. But just because you make computers drive the cars – even assuming they did it perfectly without randomly braking, which they don’t – that doesn’t mean it eliminates that flipping between regimes. At best, it might get you a little bit more capacity before hitting that critical threshold, but eventually it’s still going to, and then something – a squirrel darting into the road, a sunbeam glinting off something the wrong way and momentarily confusing the AI, a bump that disturbs the car just enough to make it slow down a fraction of a MPH, etc. – is going to trigger that shift to the congested regime anyway.
This is simply not true on its face.
Unlike the thought expirement you’re running in your head, the real world does not have the luxury of avoiding the possibilities of sudden mechanical failure, a soccer ball being kicked into the road, or unsecured debris falling out of the bed of a truck. These are privately owned and maintained vehicles after all, under many more engineering constraints and usage pressures than just achieving maximum reliablilty in all conditions.
These things require some degree of margin for error. In general, any car should be able to fully stop before entering the space currently occupied by the car in front of it in order to account for unexpected disturbances. However, as car speeds increase, so do the tolerances required to maintain that safe margin, exponentially in fact.
Removing the human from the driver seat doesn’t mean we get to start running bumper to bumper at 70mph; at best it means that cars can get away with slightly smaller follow distances than humans need to account for their comparably slow reaction times.
If you instead believe that we should exert enough control over self driving cars such that we could actually realistically prevent catastrophe while running high speed bumper to bumper traffic, then I have great news for you! We already have that, and it’s called a train.
It’s not a thought experiment in my head. It’s a highly studied and demonstrated fact. And it doesn’t require bumper to bumper cars, it requires cars consistently traveling with safe breaking distance, something humans didn’t do.
I don’t refute that. I agree that far too many humans are far too comfortable with unsafe following distances.That’s not the claim you made though:
And as I said, it’s just simply not true. Congestion happens because car traffic does not scale or recover from disturbances efficiently. Human behavior exacerbates this, sure, but cars are just fundamentally bad at moving people when a road is at capacity. Chalking traffic it up to “human error” alone misses the forest for the trees.