I suggest that you go check the “Manufacturing Consent” Lemmy community if you think the BBC is a “reliable reporter of facts”. If you speak a foreign language I would also suggest you compare the BBC reporting of foreign affairs with the coverage of the same events in the Press elsewhere in Europe (which, by the way, is how I noticed just how must they spinned their news coverage back when I lived in Britain as an immigrant).
As for your second line and judging by the links you provided, you “know” that “Russia has a pattern of this sort of behaviours” because the BBC told you so. In other words, that second line is logically a repetition of the first line.
The BBC is very elegant in their propaganda, almost never outright lying, but they definitelly do cherry-picking, spinning, biased framing, selective reporting and other more subtle forms of misinformation for the purpose of “opinion forming”.
I very keenly remember how Russia was blamed by pretty much all of the British press, including the BBC, for Brexit and then eventually came out that Cambridge Analytical were the ones doing most of the Social Network manipulation and they were being paid to do it by rich Americans, not Russia, so I’m logically incredibly skeptic when shit done in Britain by Britons is said by the British Press and British Politicians to be the fault of Russia, because that has the very same stink as the decades of “blame the EU for everything” by British Politicians and Press until Brexit and the “blame Russia” since.
The Public School Educated Elites that control power and the Press blaming foreigners in some way or other for the problems in Britain is self-serving and because it happens repeatedly it’s thus highly suspicious.
you “know” that “Russia has a pattern of this sort of behaviours” because the BBC told you so.
The BBC isn’t the only one reporting about these Russian “adventures”, you know? At some point you just have to realize that Russia is influencing people in multiple countries it perceives as enemies. This isn’t anything new.
Literally the only part of the British Press which is impeccably honest and hence trustworthy is the Private Eye, and they’re a weekly Satirical Magazine.
The rest are either billionaire-owned tabloids telling you all about how immigrants are both stealing people’s jobs AND AT THE SAME TIME living of benefits and how the poor are lazy, or managed by boards of people with Lord and Sir titles and populated by Public School Educated “Journalists” and commentators who often are very open about how they are “Opinion Makers” (i.e. they’re there to convince you to have certain opinions) - in other words, they’re at best “The Voice Of The British Upper Middle Class” and if you’ve ever personally known anybody from the upper echelons of British Society, their entire education is all about how the right thing to do is to tell people what they want to hear or that which makes you look good.
(More broadly, it is fucking shocking how posh boys are pretty much taught to be Sociopaths)
Some years ago a poll came out and in all of Europe the British Press was the least trusted by the locals.
Having lived in a couple of countries in Europe and speaking the language of all of them, in my experience the Press in Britain is the least trustworthy one with the most spin and biggest biases, especially when it comes to international affairs or more generally Britain In The World.
you “know” that “Russia has a pattern of this sort of behaviours” because the BBC told you so
No. Other reliable sources have also mentioned the stories I raised. Here is the UK police talking about the Russia-backed arson of a warehouse in London. And here on the UK government’s website you can find the report of the inquiry into the Salisbury poisonings (with a Russian chemical weapon) in 2018.
That inquiry which I mentioned was conducted by a senior judge, who concluded this:
Petrov, Boshirov and Fedotov were members of an operational team within the GRU – the Russian military intelligence agency responsible for foreign intelligence gathering. I am sure that, in conducting their attack on Sergei Skripal, they were acting on instructions. I have concluded that the operation to assassinate Sergei Skripal must have been authorised at the highest level, by President Putin.
Oh yeah, the Salisbury poisonings have more than enough evidence which was actually examined by a proper legal entity (not merelly the coppers).
It’s also literally the only case of Russian interference proven in the last couple of years and it wasn’t even against Britain, British Interests or Britons - it was an assassination of a Russian that happenned in Britain because that’s were he was living (though if I remember it correctly there were British victims though they were collateral damage rather than the target).
One case of the Russian State assassinating a Russia citizen in Britain, which was actually examined and confirmed by a proper legal entity, is not sufficient evidence to presume that every bad thing that happens in Britain against British Interests or Britons is done by Russia.
Mind you, I can understand how that highly publicized case (I was living in Britain at the time) convinced a lot of people that there was some kind of grand conspiracy targetting of Britain by Russia - most people (Britons or otherwise) don’t logically analyse these things, so its pretty easy for the local “opinion makers” to portray a single proven instance with massive press coverage as “evidence” of some grand conspiracy because if they don’t logically analyse things people tend to confuse “abundant and loud press coverage” with something being common and frequent (an error in human perception is very often exploited by politicians by making a mountain out of a molehill),
I suggest that you go check the “Manufacturing Consent” Lemmy community if you think the BBC is a “reliable reporter of facts”. If you speak a foreign language I would also suggest you compare the BBC reporting of foreign affairs with the coverage of the same events in the Press elsewhere in Europe (which, by the way, is how I noticed just how must they spinned their news coverage back when I lived in Britain as an immigrant).
As for your second line and judging by the links you provided, you “know” that “Russia has a pattern of this sort of behaviours” because the BBC told you so. In other words, that second line is logically a repetition of the first line.
The BBC is very elegant in their propaganda, almost never outright lying, but they definitelly do cherry-picking, spinning, biased framing, selective reporting and other more subtle forms of misinformation for the purpose of “opinion forming”.
I very keenly remember how Russia was blamed by pretty much all of the British press, including the BBC, for Brexit and then eventually came out that Cambridge Analytical were the ones doing most of the Social Network manipulation and they were being paid to do it by rich Americans, not Russia, so I’m logically incredibly skeptic when shit done in Britain by Britons is said by the British Press and British Politicians to be the fault of Russia, because that has the very same stink as the decades of “blame the EU for everything” by British Politicians and Press until Brexit and the “blame Russia” since.
The Public School Educated Elites that control power and the Press blaming foreigners in some way or other for the problems in Britain is self-serving and because it happens repeatedly it’s thus highly suspicious.
The BBC isn’t the only one reporting about these Russian “adventures”, you know? At some point you just have to realize that Russia is influencing people in multiple countries it perceives as enemies. This isn’t anything new.
I lived in Britain for over a decade.
Literally the only part of the British Press which is impeccably honest and hence trustworthy is the Private Eye, and they’re a weekly Satirical Magazine.
The rest are either billionaire-owned tabloids telling you all about how immigrants are both stealing people’s jobs AND AT THE SAME TIME living of benefits and how the poor are lazy, or managed by boards of people with Lord and Sir titles and populated by Public School Educated “Journalists” and commentators who often are very open about how they are “Opinion Makers” (i.e. they’re there to convince you to have certain opinions) - in other words, they’re at best “The Voice Of The British Upper Middle Class” and if you’ve ever personally known anybody from the upper echelons of British Society, their entire education is all about how the right thing to do is to tell people what they want to hear or that which makes you look good.
(More broadly, it is fucking shocking how posh boys are pretty much taught to be Sociopaths)
Some years ago a poll came out and in all of Europe the British Press was the least trusted by the locals.
Having lived in a couple of countries in Europe and speaking the language of all of them, in my experience the Press in Britain is the least trustworthy one with the most spin and biggest biases, especially when it comes to international affairs or more generally Britain In The World.
No. Other reliable sources have also mentioned the stories I raised. Here is the UK police talking about the Russia-backed arson of a warehouse in London. And here on the UK government’s website you can find the report of the inquiry into the Salisbury poisonings (with a Russian chemical weapon) in 2018.
That inquiry which I mentioned was conducted by a senior judge, who concluded this:
Oh yeah, the Salisbury poisonings have more than enough evidence which was actually examined by a proper legal entity (not merelly the coppers).
It’s also literally the only case of Russian interference proven in the last couple of years and it wasn’t even against Britain, British Interests or Britons - it was an assassination of a Russian that happenned in Britain because that’s were he was living (though if I remember it correctly there were British victims though they were collateral damage rather than the target).
One case of the Russian State assassinating a Russia citizen in Britain, which was actually examined and confirmed by a proper legal entity, is not sufficient evidence to presume that every bad thing that happens in Britain against British Interests or Britons is done by Russia.
Mind you, I can understand how that highly publicized case (I was living in Britain at the time) convinced a lot of people that there was some kind of grand conspiracy targetting of Britain by Russia - most people (Britons or otherwise) don’t logically analyse these things, so its pretty easy for the local “opinion makers” to portray a single proven instance with massive press coverage as “evidence” of some grand conspiracy because if they don’t logically analyse things people tend to confuse “abundant and loud press coverage” with something being common and frequent (an error in human perception is very often exploited by politicians by making a mountain out of a molehill),