• Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    47
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    7 days ago

    Hijacking top comment to also add that there are words for men who are attracted to femininity outside of the bounds of cisgender women: gynesexual (older term, less inclusive due to implication of a vagina) and finsexual (newer term, more inclusive and drops implication of a vagina).

    It is quite likely that many of those men actually fall into these categories even if they have not accepted that about themselves as of yet. Others are bisexual, and even others are pansexual, and haven’t “come out” as it were.

    Especially if this is relying on self-reporting and how often men want to appear straight, the number of men who are wrestling with such feelings but still put down “straight” is probably quite high.

    • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      26
      ·
      7 days ago

      even if they have not accepted that about themselves

      They also may not even know. The whole thing is a political minefield and trying to join in any conversation without knowing all the words tends to trigger a massive overreaction from allies and bigots alike.

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        7 days ago

        I mean it’s why I hate people who self apply the term “ally” because a lot of “allies” do more harm than help.

        Allyship is to be determined by those who need allies, not the people who talk big and claim to be allies while doing fuck-all.

        If someone from a minority community decides I am an ally to their cause and calls me an “ally” then I am an ally, not because I self applied a bullshit label to make myself feel better about cisgender white guilt or something.

        • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          6 days ago

          I would argue that one can be a self professed ally and still be an ally, even if you did it wrong.

          Sometimes, just being willing to stand up and say “those people there? Those are my people, and I stand with them” is a powerful thing, even if the person saying it ends up being a fuckwit overall.

          So, even folks that claim alliance to an oppressed group can end up a net positive just by inflating numbers, even when their specific views and actions aren’t well considered otherwise.

          I get where you’re coming from though!

        • tmyakal@infosec.pub
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          6 days ago

          My workplace has a corporate-sponsored advocacy network. Basically, they organize little fundraisers and events throughout the year, and march in the pride parade while wearing the company logo. It’s… fine, I guess. Certainly the most inclusive gesture of any company I’ve ever worked for. But the entire network is straight, white women who identify as allies.

          I tried going to a few events when I first joined the company, but it’s real weird being the only queer person at the Lunchtime Dance Party Charity Fundraiser. Like, they didn’t even play any Kylie Minogue. WTF?

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        7 days ago

        Coined in July of 2014 on tumblr:

        https://web.archive.org/web/20150324190159/pride-flags-for-us.tumblr.com/tagged/androsexual

        The “fin” prefix means “feminine in nature” and so the opposite where you’re attracted to people “masculine in nature” is minsexual. This confuses a lot of people because normally a prefix isn’t also an acronym, it’s usually from a root word.

        So, I think it’s a good replacement for gynesexual/androsexual, despite the slightly confusing nature of its origin.

        • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          edit-2
          7 days ago

          Thank you! Not gonna lie, that was underwhelming. Also, I really hope the double f and double m variants don’t stick, because that is a hot mess. While the new terms clarify language and improve communication, the doubles just make communication hard and imprecise.

          • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            7 days ago

            Yeah I agree on that, the doubles make it way more confusing, and its confusing enough to people since the prefix is an acronym while people are scanning dictionaries trying to figure out a root word that doesn’t exist.

    • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      6 days ago

      I consider myself straight, but ‘finsexual’ seems to be the most accurate. I’ve never heard the term before, but isn’t straight still accurate here?

      • Watermark710@piefed.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        6 days ago

        I feel like straight applies. I’m a straight dude. Trans women are women, so I don’t need a special term to point out that I don’t care if a woman is trans or not. Hot women are hot. Cis, trans, whatever. Pre-op, post-op, doesn’t matter. Women are pretty.

    • velma@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      7 days ago

      Thank you! I actually learned about those two terms recently, I appreciate you putting those out here!

      My husband is finsexual and it’s nice to have a more accurate word for it :)