“We kill people who kill people, to show that killing people is wrong”
It’s fucked. NO ONE, at all, ever, has the right to take the life from someone who does not want to die. Not the government, not murderers etc. It’s hypocritical.
Morality, in general, is a set of criteria used to determine when it is acceptable to do “wrong” things to people. If someone is an asshole, those around them will usually be assholes to them in return, to show them that being an asshole is wrong. The point is where you draw the line
The problem with “self-defense” is that it is often a “pre-emptive self-defense”, which is indistinguishable from aggression. Especially when it becomes a question of personal self defense using lethal weapons.
So someone who is abused is the real aggressor if they finally end the abuse by ending the abuser? I certainly don’t think so.
The fault is society for allowing the situation to get to that point. Desperate people do desperate things. Its foolish and cruel to look down on your pedestal and declare life is black and white and a person who takes a life never has a reason.
There are times when it is horrible but not acknowledging the complexity is exactly how you get people who look the other way when the killing is obscure in a system of policies. Say how we kill thousands a year through poverty or homelessness. Those deaths are not seen as horrible because it’s slow and painful, instead of quick and painful. Maybe you will come back and say you don’t feel this way but such quick snap judgment without analysis is exactly how we get here.
This goes back to what I was saying ironically. The issue you are saying here is still a failure of society. Obviously someone killing a minority because they are a minority is not a act of self defense.
Oh no no no, when I said killing minorities I meant more along the lines of white guys blowing away anyone that ain’t white through a locked door in self defense.
“We kill people who kill people, to show that killing people is wrong”
It’s fucked. NO ONE, at all, ever, has the right to take the life from someone who does not want to die. Not the government, not murderers etc. It’s hypocritical.
Morality, in general, is a set of criteria used to determine when it is acceptable to do “wrong” things to people. If someone is an asshole, those around them will usually be assholes to them in return, to show them that being an asshole is wrong. The point is where you draw the line
You are going to run into a self defense deadend there.
The problem with “self-defense” is that it is often a “pre-emptive self-defense”, which is indistinguishable from aggression. Especially when it becomes a question of personal self defense using lethal weapons.
So someone who is abused is the real aggressor if they finally end the abuse by ending the abuser? I certainly don’t think so.
The fault is society for allowing the situation to get to that point. Desperate people do desperate things. Its foolish and cruel to look down on your pedestal and declare life is black and white and a person who takes a life never has a reason.
There are times when it is horrible but not acknowledging the complexity is exactly how you get people who look the other way when the killing is obscure in a system of policies. Say how we kill thousands a year through poverty or homelessness. Those deaths are not seen as horrible because it’s slow and painful, instead of quick and painful. Maybe you will come back and say you don’t feel this way but such quick snap judgment without analysis is exactly how we get here.
It would be nice if self defense often meant an abused person ending their abuser, but what it usually looks like is shooting minorities.
You are conflating a lot here.
This goes back to what I was saying ironically. The issue you are saying here is still a failure of society. Obviously someone killing a minority because they are a minority is not a act of self defense.
Oh no no no, when I said killing minorities I meant more along the lines of white guys blowing away anyone that ain’t white through a locked door in self defense.