So basically, theres a whole party of insane people who make the Alberta Separatists seem reasonable that have a preceved chance of becoming the next party in power.
Starmer is in deep because he isn’t popular with the opposition for obvious reasons, and he lost support among his base because he hasn’t really stood up to the pro Israel crowd.
The whole Peter Mandelson, UK ambassador to the US who also was a big friend of Epstein, being appointed without proper vetting, is just a Cherry on top.
He kicked all the remaining left wing out of the Labour Party at a time when left-wing policies were very popular with the members. He has overseen some pretty regressive social policy. He’s a liar and has no charisma. He put Peter Mandelson back in a powerful position though he was known to be a bad guy and an Epstein associate. He has taken Labour to the right, abandoning its base while offering nothing but more of the vaguely Thatchery stuff the UK has suffered from for decades. He committed the government to more austerity than even the Tories had dared to implement, at a time when poverty is a massive problem in the UK. He handed chunks of the NHS to Palantir. Conservatives don’t like him and left-wingers don’t like him and no one trusts him. He’s been so uninspiring that the electorate is sleepwalking towards fascism. Plus there’s the Israel thing and the crackdown on anyone who expresses sympathy with Palestinians. It’d be quicker to list what he has done right.
The guy has 0 charisma. He doesn’t have an opinion on anything or is scared to voice it. He promised to change things for the better (that was his entire campaign, no actual plans on how to get it done) and so far he failed catastrophically. You have to understand that after 14 years of Tory leadership ANYTHING else was better and that’s the entire reason Labour won. The guy is an actual clown. He isn’t right wing enough for the right wingers and he’s not left wing enough for the left wingers. That combined with the fact he’s just killing time in office made him extremely unpopular. Every terror attack on minorities had zero reaction from his party outside of the usual “we condemn this behavior, this is not what the UK is about” and then proceed to do nothing.
It’s crazy that all you have to do is be perceived to be more charismatic and competent than Liz Truss and Rishi fucking Sunak, and Starmer only just cleared that low, low bar. This might be hell.
I do remember reading a bit about arrests for Pro-palestinian protestors. The line between protest and hate can be crossed and I’m not well enough informed to say which is which in any given event. I take you at your word that peaceful protest was stomped on.
I thought this is a function of police and courts isn’t it? What was the PM’s role in this?
I feel like you’re getting a lot of partial answers, so I’ll try and fill in the gaps.
Palestine action are a protest group who believe that Palestinians are being mistreated by Israel, and that the UK shouldn’t support Israel in doing that. They e been around for a while, but obviously they’ve gotten a lot more active recently.
The key thing is that when they say “action”, that’s exactly what they mean. They aren’t about the usual things like protest marches, although I imagine they take part in those as well. Their approach is to do things like shut down roads leading to companies supplying the Israeli military or police by physically blocking the road.
The significant thing they did which brought them to the center of attention was to break into a military airfield, and throw paint into the engines of aircraft which they believed (and were likely correct to believe) were about to go to Israel to provide reconnaissance over Palestine to support military operations there. A lot of the news called that “vandalism”, but in reality a bucket of paint in the intake for a modern jet engine means the engine needs to be partially dismantled and thoroughly cleaned before it can run again. That costs a lot of time, and a huge amount of money, so really it amounts to sabotage.
That seriously angered the government, who used certain powers they were given by parliament years ago to declare that Palestine Action weren’t just criminal, they were terrorists. Those powers allow them to deny all sorts of fundamental legal rights, so much so that they can’t really be said to have been given fair trials. These are powers which were intended for people planting bombs in public places, and they’re alarmingly authoritarian even for that.
Among other things, declaring them terrorists has made it illegal for anyone to support them in any way. As a result, the overwhelming majority of people who have ever been arrested under the terrorism laws are now people who’s only crime was to say that Palestine Action did nothing wrong. Police were rounding up whole crowds of protestors, including harmless elderly people, and arresting them all for “supporting terrorists”
His problem is appearing as if he does nothing. He isnt popular with anyone at all, and as i say a lot of labour members have hated him since he was made leader.
In basic terms: too left for the right, too right for the left. He appears to have pulled the Labour party more centre-right and abandoned a lot of the socialist and soc-dem positions for more neoliberal policies (though people have varying opinions if it’s actually true.) That has made a lot of people unhappy, leading to a surge of Reform UK (the ultra-right party) and the Green Party (the left, environmental focused party). You can see the current trends in this Wikipedia article as well as the other parties in play.
Like a Canadian, I’ll give it a shot.
So basically, theres a whole party of insane people who make the Alberta Separatists seem reasonable that have a preceved chance of becoming the next party in power.
Starmer is in deep because he isn’t popular with the opposition for obvious reasons, and he lost support among his base because he hasn’t really stood up to the pro Israel crowd.
The whole Peter Mandelson, UK ambassador to the US who also was a big friend of Epstein, being appointed without proper vetting, is just a Cherry on top.
Does this make enough sense ?
The Mandelson thing I knew, but is it really just his Isreal stance that killed a PM?
He kicked all the remaining left wing out of the Labour Party at a time when left-wing policies were very popular with the members. He has overseen some pretty regressive social policy. He’s a liar and has no charisma. He put Peter Mandelson back in a powerful position though he was known to be a bad guy and an Epstein associate. He has taken Labour to the right, abandoning its base while offering nothing but more of the vaguely Thatchery stuff the UK has suffered from for decades. He committed the government to more austerity than even the Tories had dared to implement, at a time when poverty is a massive problem in the UK. He handed chunks of the NHS to Palantir. Conservatives don’t like him and left-wingers don’t like him and no one trusts him. He’s been so uninspiring that the electorate is sleepwalking towards fascism. Plus there’s the Israel thing and the crackdown on anyone who expresses sympathy with Palestinians. It’d be quicker to list what he has done right.
Great answer. Thanks.
Palantir’s contract with the NHS started under the Tories. Not booting Palantir out is on Labour.
The guy has 0 charisma. He doesn’t have an opinion on anything or is scared to voice it. He promised to change things for the better (that was his entire campaign, no actual plans on how to get it done) and so far he failed catastrophically. You have to understand that after 14 years of Tory leadership ANYTHING else was better and that’s the entire reason Labour won. The guy is an actual clown. He isn’t right wing enough for the right wingers and he’s not left wing enough for the left wingers. That combined with the fact he’s just killing time in office made him extremely unpopular. Every terror attack on minorities had zero reaction from his party outside of the usual “we condemn this behavior, this is not what the UK is about” and then proceed to do nothing.
There’s probably more to rant about
It’s crazy that all you have to do is be perceived to be more charismatic and competent than Liz Truss and Rishi fucking Sunak, and Starmer only just cleared that low, low bar. This might be hell.
You’ve seen what they’ve been doing with Palestine Action.
It’s a bit more than just a “stance” when they’re arresting people for what should be free speech.
I do remember reading a bit about arrests for Pro-palestinian protestors. The line between protest and hate can be crossed and I’m not well enough informed to say which is which in any given event. I take you at your word that peaceful protest was stomped on.
I thought this is a function of police and courts isn’t it? What was the PM’s role in this?
How would you categorize holding a sign that says “I support Palestine Action”?
I get that, and I’ll take you at your word without knowing anything about who Palestinian Action is, or the UK context. But what did the PM do here?
Isn’t stepping on rights for police and courts to settle. Sorry, I don’t understand the connection.
It was a political decision to ban the phrase in the first place, and to make it a jailable offence
They’re hammering people with terrorist level sentencing. It’s a fucking travesty and Starmer et al should be facing the same charges. It’s ludicrous.
Thanks for helping me understand.
I feel like you’re getting a lot of partial answers, so I’ll try and fill in the gaps.
Palestine action are a protest group who believe that Palestinians are being mistreated by Israel, and that the UK shouldn’t support Israel in doing that. They e been around for a while, but obviously they’ve gotten a lot more active recently.
The key thing is that when they say “action”, that’s exactly what they mean. They aren’t about the usual things like protest marches, although I imagine they take part in those as well. Their approach is to do things like shut down roads leading to companies supplying the Israeli military or police by physically blocking the road.
The significant thing they did which brought them to the center of attention was to break into a military airfield, and throw paint into the engines of aircraft which they believed (and were likely correct to believe) were about to go to Israel to provide reconnaissance over Palestine to support military operations there. A lot of the news called that “vandalism”, but in reality a bucket of paint in the intake for a modern jet engine means the engine needs to be partially dismantled and thoroughly cleaned before it can run again. That costs a lot of time, and a huge amount of money, so really it amounts to sabotage.
That seriously angered the government, who used certain powers they were given by parliament years ago to declare that Palestine Action weren’t just criminal, they were terrorists. Those powers allow them to deny all sorts of fundamental legal rights, so much so that they can’t really be said to have been given fair trials. These are powers which were intended for people planting bombs in public places, and they’re alarmingly authoritarian even for that.
Among other things, declaring them terrorists has made it illegal for anyone to support them in any way. As a result, the overwhelming majority of people who have ever been arrested under the terrorism laws are now people who’s only crime was to say that Palestine Action did nothing wrong. Police were rounding up whole crowds of protestors, including harmless elderly people, and arresting them all for “supporting terrorists”
Well, the UK government declared a pro Palestinian protest group a terrorist organization.
For more context, there’s a Last Week tonight on it
Thanks! I appreciate this.
Edit: can’t see it without a vpn, and then it asks to sign in. Alas I have no account.
No, the left has hated him long before this.
His problem is appearing as if he does nothing. He isnt popular with anyone at all, and as i say a lot of labour members have hated him since he was made leader.
Why?
In basic terms: too left for the right, too right for the left. He appears to have pulled the Labour party more centre-right and abandoned a lot of the socialist and soc-dem positions for more neoliberal policies (though people have varying opinions if it’s actually true.) That has made a lot of people unhappy, leading to a surge of Reform UK (the ultra-right party) and the Green Party (the left, environmental focused party). You can see the current trends in this Wikipedia article as well as the other parties in play.