The country that was genocided by a military partially made up of actual former Nazis? And then rebuilt themselves under embargo into a society where housing is a human right? Not sure you’re super familiar with fascism.
Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Fascism is defined by the destruction of capital in non-military sectors, the dominance of some sectors of capital over others (beyond as laid out in imperialism to the point of contravening the typical form of the dictatorship of capital)and imperialist policies like forced labor being directed inward to compensate for a decline of empire.
Given that DPRK has industrialized throughout its history, has taken steps to shrink its military expenditures in comparison to the rest of the economy, has no dictatorship of capital within the country, doesn’t use slave labor and is a historically imperialized nation as opposed to a former imperial power, I do not see how you can define the DPRK as fascist.
In the west, they teach that communism = authoritarianism and totalitarianism. They teach that no one would willingly let an elected government plan anything, and therefore we should submit to the will of random ass rich people.
OK so the current communist leaders aren’t random ass rich people? I’m pretty sure if you ranked the North Koreans by wealth, their current leader would miraculously be #1.
Funny comment, because nobody knows how much Kim Jong-Un is worth. It’s estimated that he has more than 5 billion USD, whereas the next richest person seems to be Cha Chol Ma with more than 100 million USD in net worth.
I couldn’t find a list of the richest people in North Korea, but I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
“Nobody actually knows this if this thing that my entire argument hinges on is true, so i have no choice but to believe the most trustworthy source: the same people who levelled Korea with bombs in the first place, and who said Hamas beheaded 40 babies. Change my mind.”
So please give me a list of the richest people in North Korea if you believe the Supreme Leader isn’t on #1. Otherwise your comment is just as speculative as mine.
You’re the one making the claim. You have to prove it. The burden of proof is not on people being skeptical of your unsourced seemingly unfounded nonsense.
I’d be inclined to agree with you. However, the initial implication is that communist leaders are different from random-ass rich people. That means the burden of proof lies on the person saying that.
I said “I’m pretty sure”, clearly denoting that this is an educated guess. I didn’t say “I know” or “it is fact”. This is because I know that finding exact numbers will be very hard, given that I don’t speak Korean and don’t think that this information is public in any case.
I’d actually be happy to be proven wrong! If you find any good sources, let me know.
Communist leaders categorically are not random ass rich people, they’re elected representatives. You’re still the one who made the claim about the DPRK which was not mentioned in the original comment.
I saw a post a couple days ago defending north Korea… so there is definitely some overlap. .
The country that was genocided by a military partially made up of actual former Nazis? And then rebuilt themselves under embargo into a society where housing is a human right? Not sure you’re super familiar with fascism.
You can’t just call everything you deem bad fascist, you’re taking away all the meaning from that word
Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Explain how that doesn’t describe North Korea.
Fascism is defined by the destruction of capital in non-military sectors, the dominance of some sectors of capital over others (beyond as laid out in imperialism to the point of contravening the typical form of the dictatorship of capital)and imperialist policies like forced labor being directed inward to compensate for a decline of empire.
Given that DPRK has industrialized throughout its history, has taken steps to shrink its military expenditures in comparison to the rest of the economy, has no dictatorship of capital within the country, doesn’t use slave labor and is a historically imperialized nation as opposed to a former imperial power, I do not see how you can define the DPRK as fascist.
Because you omitted the most important characteristic of fascism. The melding of State and Capital to further the interests of Capital
Fascism is just one of the many forms of authoritarianism
They’ll probably tell you the Supreme Leader was elected or something.
Totally different species of dickhead, they are not fascists
In the west, they teach that communism = authoritarianism and totalitarianism. They teach that no one would willingly let an elected government plan anything, and therefore we should submit to the will of random ass rich people.
OK so the current communist leaders aren’t random ass rich people? I’m pretty sure if you ranked the North Koreans by wealth, their current leader would miraculously be #1.
Source:
Funny comment, because nobody knows how much Kim Jong-Un is worth. It’s estimated that he has more than 5 billion USD, whereas the next richest person seems to be Cha Chol Ma with more than 100 million USD in net worth.
I couldn’t find a list of the richest people in North Korea, but I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
“Nobody actually knows this if this thing that my entire argument hinges on is true, so i have no choice but to believe the most trustworthy source: the same people who levelled Korea with bombs in the first place, and who said Hamas beheaded 40 babies. Change my mind.”
“My racist ass feels like it’s true, so it must be the truth”
Behold, the pinnacle of liberal logic
So please give me a list of the richest people in North Korea if you believe the Supreme Leader isn’t on #1. Otherwise your comment is just as speculative as mine.
You’re the one making the claim. You have to prove it. The burden of proof is not on people being skeptical of your unsourced seemingly unfounded nonsense.
I’d be inclined to agree with you. However, the initial implication is that communist leaders are different from random-ass rich people. That means the burden of proof lies on the person saying that.
I said “I’m pretty sure”, clearly denoting that this is an educated guess. I didn’t say “I know” or “it is fact”. This is because I know that finding exact numbers will be very hard, given that I don’t speak Korean and don’t think that this information is public in any case.
I’d actually be happy to be proven wrong! If you find any good sources, let me know.
Communist leaders categorically are not random ass rich people, they’re elected representatives. You’re still the one who made the claim about the DPRK which was not mentioned in the original comment.
Please stop using ableist language.
my bad, edited