I think it’s not the public’s job, but that if people actually think about it in those types of terms, then we’re sort of screwed.

For society to work well, the public does need to contribute. It can’t always be somebody else’s problem. When you see Japanese fans cleaning up the stadium after a World Cup game, you don’t see it as if it’s a failure of their society. It’s the opposite. It’s their culture in service of society.

The public willing to help out is not a job, but it also cannot be downplayed as unimportant.