Bernie losing the primary in 2016 showed me all i needed to see about what the DNC is all about. Trump didn’t win in 2016, Hillary lost.
And dropped the entire visage of being able to negotiate with them. They’re liars and cheaters just like the Republicans.
This is why votinging in your democratic primary is so important, we can change status quo in the party
Yes. The Establishment is corrupt, not just the right wing of it. The establishment R and D have the same owners. They mainly want the same things. Those things are very rarely beneficial to the working population of the country. They’re just for show. Their job is to look a bit more caring and human when compared to blatant evil and unchecked corruption, but with mostly the same long term agenda because they mainly have the same owners.
Establishment D won’t go to war to fight the corruption and fuckery we’re drowning in, they’re part of the fuckery. They’re just the actors we’re supposed to turn to. But if we turn to actual Democrats who want actual sane social reform then they will certainly fight those assholes, because they’re fucking up the game they’ve had so good for so long.
It seems so insane that I joined the military shortly after 9/11 because of the Hoorah BS, and in 25 years it’s flipped to saying “Those terrorist guys actually had a good point.”
Have you guys seen the Johnny Harris video about oligarchy? I think it’s more the left and the right punching down to defend the ones on top.
When I said this before, that they are all part of the same team, I got mocked SO hard…
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Sadly there are large swaths of people who refuse to admit the dems are anything but good or on the left.
And on parts of lemmy this speech (pointing out how the dems have failed and continue to fail Americans) will get you called right wing or a tankie.
Republicans are the sword of the ruling class. Democrats are the shield.
This reminds me of the First Rule of the Internet, in a way.
For those Unaware, the First Rule of the Internet is as follows:
“All the “Men” are Boys, All the “Women” are Men, and all the “little girls” are F.B.I. Agents”
In our case it goes:
"All the “Conservatives” are fascists, All the “liberals” are Conservative, and all the “Commies” are just people with common sense.
Hate to say it, but Trump was right about them, they are dumbocrats; how else would they lose against donald duck? Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Lose implies they put up a fight. They talk resist while colluding with them
:'(
Democrats, like Republicans, have always been perfectly fine with genocide. (recall, you don’t even have to kill anybody for ‘genocide’ card to be played per UN definition).
Recall that we formed Israel after WW2 for a reason, knowing exactly what would happen. bOtH pArTiEs fully support Israel for strategic and/or religious reasons.
Does that mean all registered Ds & Rs agree? Not at all. But the leadership’s track record is undeniable.
May the uniparty fall so the people can be free.
They punch left to keep their positions secure and not let anyone make them look ineffective as they are.
whatever you do don’t google project 2029
The website looks promising on first read, but digging into the founder, Cherny:
“as well as an alum of the corporate-funded Democratic Leadership Council, which was maybe best known for its enthusiasm for privatizing Social Security. Cherny first showed up on Clinton’s radar as a Harvard senior, when he wrote that the United States needed “government humble enough not to try to solve all our problems for us but strong enough to give us the tools to solve our problems for ourselves.” Clinton loved the line so much, he made his entire Cabinet read it, put it in one of his speeches, and hired Cherny as a speechwriter. He was a perfect fit for an administration that had embarked on its own Democratic version of Trump’s DOGE initiative, called “Reinventing Government,” which boasted of firing three hundred fifty-one thousand federal workers and eliminating hundreds of thousands of pages of rules and regulations.”
And of course, Chernys previous company was investigated for many instances of fraud and his cofounder put in prison. He sounds swell. So its just another shell game pretending to be progressive. Also, very conspicuously taking no stand on Israel, the biggest issue that lost the centrists base voters in the last vote. Just an issue that doesnt exist to them evidently. Heres a Jacobin article on it https://archive.ph/WVrTc#selection-881.366-905.132
But think of all the supposed swing voters that they’re winning over
Any day now they’ll start voting blue, I’m sure of it
Any day…
democrats are more mad agasinst NY mayor than trump. or any republican. like … wtf?
He’s got 80% popularity in NYC. Actually winning over swing voters by doing something, is apparently anathema to the DNC.
They asked very highly paid political consultants that assured them that Clintonian third way triangulation had worked once in the 90s so the smart and responsible thing to do was keep playing that playbook.
Sure it failed a couple dozen times since then.
I imagine the Democratic Party to be made up of effectively three groups.
- People that aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are that are certain they’ve crunched the numbers and have the only winning strategy, surprise, it’s move to the right.
- A bunch of old farts convinced the only thing you need to win is money and getting that money, no matter the cost in who you are beholden to, is worth it
- A lot of voters that correctly identify that it’s a two party system and they have to vote for one of them but then incorrectly think that the party is good or at all gives a shit about them.
I was in group 3 for a while and I think it’s the most difficult part of the whole fucking mess. There are two facts that are both true at the same time and the fact they are both true is mind boggling
- The shitty American electoral system means we can only have two major political parties. The republicans have gone mask off fascist while the democrats at least pretend to be less fascist. They are the better of two incredibly shitty options
- the democrats being the marginally better option of two shitty options doesn’t begin to make them particularly good and definitely doesn’t make them at all effective at achieving any of the goals I would agree with.
So we get stuck in this weird quagmire where I would agree with some of the policy goals of the Democratic Party, but I also know they will never go after those goals. When push comes to shove, even if they have the power to, they will always backseat the goals I care about and somehow find a way to deeper entrench the moneyed powers (see the ACA for a great example of offering a good policy goal like ending pre-existing conditional denial but coupling it with entrenching for profit healthcare, for profit health insurance, and failing to actually solve the massive host of other problems with American healthcare)
If you find yourself in group 3 you have accepted theres no other option but to vote for the democrats (a position I take on Election Day too) and you think “these leftists are spoiled brats, look at all the good things the Dems are trying to do”
If you are post-group 3, you find yourself somewhere where I am. I realize the electoral system forces my vote to go to the Dems or make it easier for the republicans to consolidate power. But I know the Democratic Party is effectively an organ of capital, there to do the bidding of capital while putting out tweets and letters about all the nice things they wish they could do but gee golly shucks they just couldn’t find a way to make it happen. Change is hard, I mean not if we are talking about something the donors want, but something the people want, yea, that’s really tricky.
It’s why they have to fight against the DSA, because if a group of politicians can show voters that you can elect someone to do your bidding instead of the bidding of the mega donors, their whole position as useful organ to capital is threatened. And that’s where group 2 gets their bread buttered.
There’s another name for Democrats and Republicans.
“coworkers”
“The Empire”
is the other name. Same coin.
And yet, how often have so many of y’all screamed “don’t say both sides because both sides aren’t fascists”.
Yes, both sides. Both sides are Nazis. One side is just smart enough not to say the quiet parts in front of the press and the other side keeps letting Stephen Miller onto Fox News.
Until Democratic voters accept their own complicity in allowing the Pelosis to profit off insider trading for decades, y’all will continue to get duped by the same populist playbooks that the maga crowd fell for.
Schmucks.
Pelosi and co aren’t populists, they literally think it’s virtuous to stand up to their voting base and not be bullied into doing what the masses want.
And yet those same masses keep re-electing them against their own interests…
Do feel free to explain why people keep saying yes to being exploited by people who are literally growing old and dying in office after spending their entire careers fucking over the next five generations of Americans.
Because the msm tells them better things aren’t possible. The average Biden or Hillary primary voter doesn’t think free healthcare is bad, but that an imaginary moderate republican won’t vote for a candidate who supports them, but will vote for a moderate, and therefore moderates are more “electable” than candidates with policy that improves peoples material conditions.
Even here on lemmy we get libs talking about triangulation; the notion that voters vote for whoever is ideologically closest so the most electable candidate is one iota to the left of the republican, and the least electable republican is the most extreme right.
