You mean the glorious struggle?

So 7 of the 10 are training, 1 is the cameras and the other 2 are just saying follow the law so great demands.

Apology accepted

Which as you pointed out earlier is also due to the bill they voted through so not really helping case.

The funding bill specified none of that, nor would it. (Although, yeah it should have. Crushing norms like trump does means a ridiculous escalation in bureaucracy unless we want to leave it open like that.)

Again not at all relevant with newsom who isn’t running in the midterms. If anything hes the one hurting the cause as he is terrible and keeps being in the public eye as the current top dem in the wings

Yeah. Wait, what cause?

That sounds about right, actually. Will anyone punish the corrupt nazis in office though?

https://archive.ph/Zyhtr

https://dailyfreepress.com/11/23/23/216735/not-endorsing-chi-osse-is-a-worrying-sign-for-the-zohran-mayoralty-and-anti-blackness-within-the-ny-dsa-the-dissenting-opinion/

• doesn’t know who Newsom is other than his meming

I can read. So. Good one.

• claims to like AOC but worries she cant win because she’s a woman

Has that not occurred to you? Here. You should probably realize that other people are involved in deciding your country’s future. Take your time.

• complains that everyone else is just being cynically picky for taking issue with candidates actual policy positions

Cynically picky? Ha! What bullshit.

• claims the title of liberal for “”““progressives””“”

What

🥸

Glad you love the status quo! Because you’re going to get more of it then.

If you actually think [Democratic Representative] is a fascist, then you’re an idiot. Do they make bad decisions? Sometimes! Are they supporting capitalism? Usually! Is it better than republican actual-no-shit-irl fascism? YES. 10,000%. But if you’re stuck so far up your own ism that you can’t be arsed to defeat republicans, and there’s not another party for 3000 miles then - settle in. You’ll get more of this.

Which is what we told you 18 months ago and you shit on it then too. And the ensuing carnage hasn’t changed your mind at all.

And yet they still support him.

Cult.

Cult

No. Although it doesn’t seem to match the JFK-era witness killings.

Dems continue to drop the ball in all aspects of governing again and again.

There are a lot of failures I wish they hadn’t failed at, yes. Tom Daschle in particular, but that’s a different thread.

They do not future plan for anyone but their donors.

Disagree. Their donors have no idea how they’ll fuck up the next thing either.

And again you’re ignoring the part they don’t even want to do anything about ice except training and body cameras

This is not about ICE but since we should all benefit from my ability to search, The full list of Democrats’ demands is as follows:

1. ---

   1. Targeted enforcement

   DHS officers cannot enter private property without a judicial warrant. End indiscriminate arrests and improve warrant procedures and standards. Require verification that a person is not a US citizen before holding them in immigration detention.

2. ---

   2. No masks

   Prohibit ICE and immigration enforcement agents from wearing masks and other face coverings.

3. ---

   3. Require ID

   Require DHS officers conducting immigration enforcement to display their agency, unique ID number and last name. Require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.

4. ---

   4. Protect sensitive locations

   Prohibit funds from being used to conduct enforcement near sensitive locations, including medical facilities, schools, childcare facilities, churches, polling places, courts, etc.

5. ---

   5. Stop racial profiling

   Prohibit DHS officers from conducting stops, questioning and searches based on an individual’s presence at certain locations, their job, their spoken language and accent, or their race or ethnicity.

6. ---

   6. Uphold use-of-force standards

   Place into law a reasonable use-of-force policy, expand training and require certification of officers. In the case of an incident, the officer must be removed from the field until an investigation is concluded.

7. ---

   7. Ensure state and local coordination and oversight

   Preserve the ability of state and local jurisdictions to investigate and prosecute potential crimes and use-of-excessive-force incidents. Require that evidence is preserved and shared with jurisdictions. Require the consent of states and localities to conduct large-scale operations outside of targeted immigration enforcement.

8. ---

   8. Build safeguards into the system

   Make clear that all buildings where people are detained must abide by the same basic detention standards that require immediate access to a person’s attorney to prevent citizen arrests or detention. Allow states to sue the DHS for violations of all requirements. Prohibit limitations on member visits to ICE facilities regardless of how those facilities are funded.

9. ---

   9. Body cameras for accountability, not tracking

   Require use of body-worn cameras when interacting with the public and mandate requirements for the storage and access of footage. Prohibit tracking, creating or maintaining databases of individuals participating in first amendment activities.

10. ---

    10. No paramilitary police

    Regulate and standardize the type of uniforms and equipment DHS officers employ during enforcement operations to bring them in line with civil enforcement.

Now i’m no mathimagician but i’m pretty sure 10 is more than two so we’ll point out that (a) you’re wrong again, and (b) if we had gotten 2% more support in 2024 there would be none of this fucked up ICE-as-secret-police bullshit.

I appreciate the Democrats have problems, and let’s fucking fix them because doing nothing (that’s all other parties except the republicans plus your various -isms that don’t vote due to reasons) will not stop the republicans from creating our imminent destruction.

Of course we said that in 2024 and instead of any support just got this mix of hate for colonialism (? okay) and non-stop shrieking about genocide so here we are with fascism on full display and really no end in sight because The Perfect Candidate doesn’t exist and the so-called-left won’t even agree as to what day it is.

Midterms in eight months. Howabout we don’t fuck it up again?

Is that supposed to show one side is fighting against it? Dems doing nothing to plan or prevent gop from implementing their will on the country, just like failure to codify roe v wade into law.

?? What?

You’re blaming everyone that isn’t worshipping the dnc, including voters.

Wrong again, but it was a bonus question so you won’t lose any points.

Which has stopped what? Even now the dems aren’t fighting to remove or stop ice just increase training and more cameras.

Has stopped everything that isn’t specifically declared critical to national security or budgeted separately in the Big Ugly Boondoggle bill.

Yeah it’d be great if they could just blink and nod and poof ICE is gone, trillions go to healthcare, education, and the environment, but I guess they must not want to blink and nod. That’s most likely it and no other reasons.

Should I take this to mean that you’ve selected Newsom before he or anybody else has actually announced?

Oh no, I don’t know anything about him other than his trump trolling. I just see people already losing their minds at the thought that he could be the nominee.

I think AOC would be a decent pick to fill that lane, even if I have my apprehensions, but she hasn’t announced yet either.

I’d love to see an AOC candidacy. But given America’s obvious problem with voting for women I dunno how it would play out. I guess it depends if we all survive that far.

Are you new here?

Yeah yeah just fell off the turnip truck. Back home liberal means progressive and leftist is between sophmore and junior in college. As it has done for literally generations. Other countries, though, use it differently.

Also good!

Weird how neither parties run on that

Well, one party ran on the first part multiple times making a big push for it that took up a full year in two administrations, and actually made the second one law, so. Get a clue?

Wow, amazing how you’re only point is blaming the voters.

I’m blaming the non-voters. Keep up.

Again, both parties were okay with that. There wasn’t one who would stop it

The DHS is still shut down. Do you actually know how anything works? Because it’d be great if you could do that.

Yeah you’ll need to use an archive site to read it, or else search those keywords. Need help?

What part of “Newsom is worse than Hitler” is “agitating for better policies”?

I’m specifically saying you should advocate for the candidate you want NOW instead of only and forever shitting on candidates other people pick. But you can’t even do that.

Because you’re using “libs” I’m assuming you’re not American? Or just have a real affinity for the republican nazi party?

Or are you actually an anarchist and therefore opposed to elections?

For a few minutes, yeah.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/nyregion/mamdani-dsa-socialist-mayor.html

Yeah cause they don’t want to actually provide anything the people want.

What like national healthcare? A Green New Deal? Yeah The People din’t want that shit they want to murder children, right?

And unsurprisingly again avoiding the point to continue to just punch left

What point? Democratic candidates are depraved existential horrors roaming the land devouring women and children alive for sport? Sure lemme google some things i’ll get back to you.

The so-called left can’t even be relied upon to vote against literal paramilitary gangs roaming the streets murdering mothers and nurses. That’s who you want them to spend all their political capital chasing? Well, good luck. But just so you know they’re not going to vote anyway. Purity tests are real and they are unwinnable.

Wild how often it’s the case of dems in power being terrible.

I see some love for AOC (but also insta-damnation if dog forbid she hews incorrectly), Mamdani got a lot of love (for a city mayor) at least until he made the fatal error of crossing a SocDem, and Bernie gets love. But that’s it. 99.8% of Democrats are the worst, most evil fascists under the sun according to their support base. If you believe that.

Is it any wonder they look to the center for support when it gets close to election time?

Also so does that mean we can’t say trump/putin/bibi is terrible without specifying an alternative?

For the first 100 slams, no those are free. After that you have to have something else besides a big bag of bitching. But only for trump, unless you’re voting in the israeli or russian election.

Which, sometimes I wonder if some of the commenters are.

There yo go. See people, it’s not that hard