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  • Thank you!

    According to what I read last week, they confirmed 176 of first-round votes weren’t counted at the convention (thus, not reflected in the numbers from your photo). I didn’t find a source explaining what the distribution of missing or adjusted final votes was, just that it would’ve pushed Davis onto at least the second round of voting, which would have made it more difficult for Fateh to secure the endorsement (for reasons I can speculate about but don’t know).

    I also subsequently found these two articles (first is short, second is extremely verbose) that provide additional color to the dysfunction.

    Every deviation from convention rules was voted on and approved using procedure.

    From the articles above, it sounds like some of those votes / rule changes violated the MN DFL constitution.


  • From my understanding, this is not the fault of Fateh, but of the Democratic Party themselves […]

    This is what I said.

    Claiming this is a valid reason to throw the entire victory of the democratic socialists overboard seems outrageous.

    The reason it matters is because of the nature of successive rounds of voting. When the missing (~175 / 1000) votes got counted (in retrospect), it showed an additional candidate should have been included in the second round of voting. And the democratic leadership pushed ahead with the flawed second round of voting without addressing the problem. I don’t remember all the details, but I believe the final vote also broke their own procedural requirements (in addition to Frey’s delegates having already walked out in protest).

    I don’t know their procedures (and welcome a source/explanation), but clearly the absence of an endorsement since 2009 indicates it’s not easy to get the endorsement, and having an additional candidate in the second round of voting certainly seems like it has the potential to reduce the chances of a candidate securing the endorsement. I think it’s entirely reasonable, particularly in that context, to withdraw the endorsement.

    Edit to add: I also agree that the primary/convention system, procedures, etc, probably do favor candidates supported by “the establishment”.


  • I’m bracing myself for downvotes / banning, but I’m posting (from Minneapolis) to provide some context.

    A more extensive, contemporaneous description of the convention is here, and the NY Times article geneva_conveniencel later linked explains a bit more.

    My understanding / the short version is that the convention was very disorganized / poorly run, and didn’t follow its own rules. Frey’s campaign / delegates noticed irregularities right away, raised concerns (now found to be justified) that were dismissed, and ended up walking out in protest. It was understood that Frey wasn’t likely to actually win the nomination, but could have feasibly prevented any endorsement (which Minneapolis DFL hasn’t given since 2009).

    My take is that Minneapolis DFL, whether from incompetence, or improper bias in favor of Fateh, or a conspiracy of Frey supporters in leadership that just wanted to provide grounds to invalidate the results, really fucked up here. Maybe Fateh could have still won the endorsement if all the ballots in the first round were counted, but we’ll never know, because the second round would have been different. As it stands, I presume this is costing Fateh’s campaign a bunch of money to reprint campaign signs/materials, pull ads, etc, that cited the endorsement.

    I don’t doubt that the establishment democrats would have found other things to complain about if Fateh had properly won this endorsement, but this was definitely not clean/proper, so withdrawing the endorsement is an appropriate course of action.