I’m not saying Librewolf is insecure, I’m just saying its a bit less secure. They generally do a good job keeping up to date, but there can be delays if an update conflicts with their changes.

Librewolf is not just a Firefox config. You can look at the repo and see a number of patches. Without a paid security team to review these patches with every update, it is less secure.

I’m not saying not to use Librewolf, the likelihood of a zero day specifically targeting it and effecting a significant number of users is very unlikely, simply based off of the size of its userbase compared to more mainstream browsers.

It does, but less than Firefox does. Their lack of manpower means delayed updates to fix zero days compared to Firefox. It also means less eyes on any patches introduced, so I’d be more concerned about malicious code being introduced.

It just lacks manpower unfortunately. Going with a browser that has the funding for a security team is the safer option.

I agree, Mullvad is the only fork that I have confidence in the security of (ignoring Tor ofc since it’s not really for general use).

Also want to add that this was caused by a configuration issue. If you want security, don’t use Firefox (or its forks) default configs, look into Betterfox. Apparently Zen also uses this as the base for its default preferences, which is a good decision.

What do you mean? The dev did acknowledge it and linked to a relevant discussion.

Because its a stupid issue. The complaint is that a Firefox fork acts like Firefox.

I’m not sure why you linked to this irrelevant 3 week old issue while referring to something that was fixed a year ago. Referring to it as a backdoor also implies that it was malicious, when it was simply incompetence. Have there been any security issues since? (Not trying to imply that not having any would make it safe, just wondering).

Zen is an amateur hobbyist project, expecting it to be something else is silly. It isn’t backed by a company, so you take on these risks when you use the project. The same thing goes for all community run browser forks, and unfortunately, using upstream browsers will 100% be more secure. If you don’t want to take those risks, just use Firefox (preferably hardened).

Security costs money, open source browser forks generally don’t have much of that.

Edit: I’m not trying to shit on this browser, or even say that nobody should use it. Be aware of your attack surface and know what risks you’re taking on when using any piece of software. I’m probably still going to play around with Zen, but I probably won’t be doing my banking on it.

Floorp is even less trustworthy after that incident with part of the browser being closed source. Even if they undid it, the fact that they would try that is unacceptable.

Thats what I was doing, but I don’t see any shuffle button. Does one appear for you?

Edit: This is what I see, if I’m missing it please let me know! There is the shuffle toggle at the bottom, but to use it I still have to manually choose a song, then skip it for the next one to be random.

Qobuz apparently has a connect feature in beta, I’ve seen a few people say it works very well so hopefully it’ll be public soon.

Tidal won’t play lossless in a browser, Qobuz does it with no issue and I am enjoying the new Zen widget with it.

Just anecdotal, but I transferred my fairly small library of about 500 songs from Tidal to Qobuz and nothing was missing. I even added back some songs I lost going from Spotify to Tidal. Nothing super niche though.

I don’t know how it used to be, but I’ve just switched to it from Tidal and am generally enjoying the UI more. Plus it has functioning search, unlike Tidal. My only issue is the lack of a shuffle button on my favorited tracks.

I do agree that Matrix isn’t a good replacement for Discord, but Revolt is largely centralized, so I have my doubt’s about it as well. If users started to switch to it, how would the primary instance handle that level of traffic?

Shame its not federated. Makes the self hosting aspect kinda unappealing if I’d need to access a different instance for different servers.

For anyone else who decides to give Qobuz a try, I wouldn’t recommend using TuneYourMusic to transfer playlists and favorites. A ton of songs were transfered but just say unavailable in Qobuz. They have a partnership that let’s you transfer for free using Soundiiz, so I’d try that instead.

Otherwise I’m enjoying it so far. The UI is nice, and search actually functions, so thats a big plus over Tidal. You can listen to full quality audio in the browser client, which I like since Zen Browser just added a nice media player UI in the side bar.

Edit: Retried my transfer using the free Soundiiz transfer and it worked perfectly, even found a song that TuneYourMusic completely failed to transfer. My only remaining issue is the fact that there’s no button to shuffle your favorites tracks. You have to choose one, then shuffle. Minor, but something the other options offer.