I’m shocked you were banned with such a calm and rational style of communication.

I do selfhost my own, and even tried my hand at building something like this myself. It runs pretty well, I’m able to have it integrate with HomeAssistant and kubectl. It can be done with consumer GPUs, I have a 4000 and it runs fine. You don’t get as much context, but it’s about minimizing what the LLM needs to know while calling agents. You have one LLM context that’s running a todo list, you start a new one that is charge of step 1, which spins off more contexts for each subtask, etc. It’s not that each agent needs it’s own GPU, it’s that each agent needs it’s own context.

I am and do, I have no qualms with AI if I host it myself. I let it have read access to some things, I have one that is hooked up to my HomeAssistant that can do things like enable lighting or turn on devices. It’s all gated, I control what items I expose and what I don’t. I personally don’t want it reading my emails, but since I host it it’s really not a big deal at all. I have one that gets the status of my servers, reads the metrics, and reports to me in the morning if there were any anomalies.

I’m really sick of the “AI is just bad because AI is bad”. It can be incredibly useful - IF you know it’s limitations and understand what is wrong with it. I don’t like corporate AI at scale for moral reasons, but running it at home has been incredibly helpful. I don’t trust it to do whatever it wants, that would be insane. I do however let it have read permissions (and I know you keep harping on it, but MCP servers and APIs also have permission structures, even if it did attempt to write something, my other services would block it and it’d be reported) on services to help me sort through piles of information that I cannot manage by myself. When I do allow write access it’s when I’m working directly with it, and I hit a button each time it attempts to write. Think spinning up or down containers on my cluster while I am testing, or collecting info from the internet.

AI, LLMs, Agentic AI is a tool. It is not the hype every AI bro thinks it is, but it is another tool in the toolbelt. To completely ignore it is on par with ignoring Photoshop when it came out, or Wysiwyg editors when they came designing UIs.

Everyone keeps forgetting “if you allow it”. They show you what commands it’s going to run. So yes I’m okay with it, I review everything it will do.

Yes, that’s pretty much all an mcp server is, that’s what I’m trying to explain. The ai just chooses what commands out of a list. Each command can be disabled or enabled. Everyone freaking out here like it has sudo access or something when you opt into everything it does

If you allow it to run bash commands, it requires approval before running them:

https://docs.openclaw.ai/tools/exec-approvals

It’s not arbitrary code in this case, it’s well defined functions, like list emails, read email, delete email. The agentic portion only decides if it should have those functions invoked.

Now if they should is up for debate. Personally I would be afraid it would delete an important email that it incorrectly marks as spam, but others may see value.

Yeah I tried tabby too and they had like a mandatory "we share your code " line and I hoped out. Like if you’re going to do that I might as well just use claude

I will never understand how new accounts/people will just barge into communities and immediately assume they know what’s best for the community, and are shocked when they’re called out

It’s nothing new that we are forced to deal with their problems

It is true, and I counter that with if you choose to live far away from people then you will be prioritized less. Things get fixed faster when there are more people affected, so when you choose to live miles away from anyone, when your power goes out it’s not a high priority. I argue that that’s their choice, and that it’s deserved when it also costs much more for that one person to have power compared to thousands of people getting power for relatively the same cost in an urban area. Harsh I know, but that’s how the money flows. They can always move to an urban area if they choose that services are more important than living rurally. More or less I agree with you, but I would tell them “you chose that”.

Same! They’re absolutely terrified of my city and to me it’s like, what the place where I walked to get my bagel this morning?

God people in rural communities are so stupid when they vote. I live in a very lopsided state. Just for ease of understanding, about 80% of the state is rural, but also 80% of the people live in the cities. Rural folks often forget just how many more people live in cities.

So they get resentful and say “why are MAH tax dollars going to all them city folks”! I’ve had this talk so many times with them, why should they pay (like pennies or their salary) to my city improvements just because they’re state taxes?

Well, rural guy, because in actuality “us city folk” subsidize all of the rural state. They think they’re paying for our stuff but turns out density is way cheaper and way more economically viable than rural. So we subsidize them all the time. I always remind them who do they think pays for the roads, the infrastructure, their state parks? It’s not them and their low tax income. Their life depends on the city people

And then they vote to hurt us by cutting programs… And forget that we were paying for them to be on those programs.

For everyone here, this is true, and I’d recommend buying a couple drives for quick replacements. If you don’t you’re gambling that 1) a replacement drive will be available and 2) that it will be affordable.

Keep a few spares lying around while we get through the ebbs and flows of the market. As K said, a person is smart, people are dumb and panicky. If ssd and storage prices rise, people panic and our hdds will rise too.

Prep now and thank yourself later.

RIM

Now that is a name I haven’t heard in a very long time

Funny, my liberal blue ass is still doing okay in my blue city. Things are more expensive but overall not much has changed for me. Personally I voted blue to help those in need, expand snap, healthcare, and benefits even though in all likelihood I won’t need them.

Meanwhile they voted to “own” me, whatever that means. I don’t feel owned, but as long as they feel better without those benefits I guess?

Exactly this. People here mass downvote but I personally find AI to be extremely useful… To do things I already know how to do but don’t have the time for. I don’t trust it to do things I can’t spot the errors in

Price is the only reason that I’ve seen that I respect. They are more expensive. If you can afford one I recommend switching, if you can’t then I understand.

No charging at home is doable, but it wouldn’t be easy, so I also respect that one - but I recommend something like a plugin hybrid for when you can.

For 80% of Americans who have at least 2 cars and a garage though, there’s no reason not to have one of them be an EV. You have a place to charge at home so you never need gas, and yes it’s more expensive but if you have a garage and can afford more than one car, then maybe hold on for the extra 10k to get an EV.

People talk about EVs like they do long haul 12 hour road trips every week and that it’s just “imposssssible” to have an EV. Like, it’s not nearly as bad as people make it sound, and then even then if it is terrible just keep an ICE vehicle around for them. Apparently I’m a weird one with 99% of my trips being commuting, going to the grocery store, random errands, and short 20ish mile drives.

And that’s exactly what I recommend for people who can only have one car, it’s not as great as a full EV, but it’ll get you over the hump