• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    Fair enough. That’s roughly 350 million people. You said 50% of people in EU live in apartments so what you said applies to about 170 million people. That’s ~1/3 of EU. I would say ~2/3 of people getting AC and/or heatpumps still counts as a revolution. But that’s nitpicking and really besides the point. Some people will not be able to upgrade, sure. Some people will install AC in their apartment and use it for heating during winter as pretty much all units they sell now do both. New buildings may also adapt to the new reality and stop installing building wide heating systems, even in the countries you listed. I think it’s obvious things will change and even if half of Europe will not be affected for now it doesn’t mean some sort of revolution is not happening.

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      1 day ago

      Absolutely. My point is not that nothing is going to happen. It’s that many will choose the more common and flexible air conditioners over heat pumps sold to fully replace conventional heating as well.

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        The naming is confusing here. In Spain the difference between AC and ‘aerotermia’ is that the second one heats water. This is the “heat pump” revolution here. Many people already use AC for heating but they have gas or electric boilers to heat water. Heatpumps are way more efficient here. When you say ‘heatpump’ you mean something that replaces a furnace? Something you plug into central heating system that heats the water and distributes it to the radiators?

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          24 hours ago

          Thats what consumers call a heatpump here. It has enough capacity to fully replace gas heating. A normal gas furnace does around 28 kW so you can imagine the heatpump to be quite beefy. It has several times the price as a simple air conditioner (I know that is technically also a heatpump) you use to cool down or heat up a room and also does hot water.