• dunestorm@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Okay, now do something about how insanely expensive train tickets are. This is a good step forwards, but I feel way more people rely on the train to travel than busses.

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      3 days ago

      You could be more appreciative than “okay, now do another great thing”. I agree like but when people do sit things we fuck em up, we should give propers props for good deeds.

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      3 days ago

      Train tickets are priced, among other things, to manage demand and prevent overcrowding. Increasing capacity is a long-term and high-cost process (see HS2) and the government doesn’t have that sort of time or money.

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        3 hours ago

        HS2 is clearly just a deliberate money pit at this point, there’s no other reason a relatively short line like that could out cost the entire EU wide rail refurbishment project by a factor of almost 2.

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        2 days ago

        Train tickets are priced to maximise profits for shareholders. For a lot of tickets there’s a maximum amount they’re allowed to raise them by each year, and you better believe they do exactly that.

        They’re slowly being renationalised when their contracts run out, which is a start.

        A good benchmark for pricing should be “two people taking a train should cost about the same as it would to drive in a car”. It’s nowhere near that. For most long UK journeys it’s cheaper to fly to another European country and fly back to the destination than it is to take a train.

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          2 days ago

          The railways were effectively nationalised in 2020. Since then they have been run as management contracts - with the franchisee being paid a flat rate by the DfT per train, and the DfT keeping the ticket revenue. Indeed, Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern, the largest franchise, had been a management contract as early as 2015.

          The average profit margin was around 2% of face value, while around 60% went to network renewal. Under franchising, DfT set the price of 40% of tickets. The remainder, set by franchisees, were often cheaper advance offers.