Okay don’t generalize. As a self medicated ADHD person I’ve picked up stimulants many times and dropped them many times with ease. Just because Neurotrypicals can’t handle their shit doesn’t mean we can’t.
What the parent comment is saying is true. I’m diagnosed and medicated for ADHD but struggled with a bad amphetamine addiction in my late teens. I’ve been clean for nearly a decade now but we don’t have some sort of superpower that frees us from from addiction, especially not from the physical aspects of it that OP specifically referred to. Do you think you wouldn’t get a week of headaches when quitting a pot of coffee a day?
Your comment is insulting, ignorant and genuinely upsetting as someone who went through absolute hell
I have tried so many stimulants and been on a chunky dose of methamphetamine and have at zero points in time felt any kind of urge to use stimulants for anything other than necessity or because of social situations. Literally physical or mental urges. I frequently forget to take my meds because there is zero withdrawal. A big part is that I don’t get high from stimulants, they slow my thoughts down. Cocaine as always calming for me so it was like trading places!
Since it is a spectrum I’m certain this isn’t true for everyone, but it really is a thing for a lot of us because we don’t react to stimulants like the average person.
I’m sorry but your personal life experience doesn’t overrule facts. Some people are more prone to addiction than others. Others are more resistant to certain chemicals, but nobody is fully immune regardless of amount and duration.
Anecdotes are insufficient to support something like this, sure. However, their experience does indeed match what the studies show. People with ADHD statistically have a lower risk of addiction when treated with stimulant medication. People with ADHD have very low risk of addiction to stimulant medication. This is what the studies show.
To understand drug response as varied levels of resistance is indeed the generally accepted characterization, however, I must once again contend with the addition of “regardless of amount and duration”. Drug response is actually highly dependent on both “amount and duration”. Adherence is a big problem for prescribing doctors, especially concerning things like antibiotics. There are plenty of people who discontinue an antibiotic schedule whenever they “feel better”, greatly increasing the risk of drug-resistant disease. The patient could then have no response upon a repeat infection, now being “fully immune” to the drug. It’s possible to take low enough doses of a drug/medication that the body metabolizes it before there could be any effect. It’s possible that someone’s genetic makeup means a common medication can have no effect. Especially with things like addiction, “amount and duration” can easily be the deciding factor. To disregard dosage and duration of usage for someone with increased risk for addiction is wildly irresponsible. To emphasize that increased addiction risk can make it to where the risk of abuse is elevated even for lower “normal” doses regardless of effect highlights a strong justification for abstinence altogether.
In any case, you’re very irresponsibly talking out of your ass.
People with ADHD statistically have a lower risk of addiction when treated with stimulant medication. People with ADHD have very low risk of addiction to stimulant medication. This is what the studies show.
100% but the qualifier is extremely important. You can get as verbose as you want, and you can continue to accuse me of “talking out my ass” all the while acknowledging my original point but what you are doing is dangerous. Insinuating that ADHD folk have a super power that makes them immune to addiction to stimulants is dangerous and irresponsible. I am politely asking you to reconsider your words and actions. Trying to win some sort of internet argument through attacks, pedantry, and ignoring the basic message being given is wrong. I am simply urging caution and medical supervision when on medication. If that is something you disagree with, feel free to block me.
You are absolutely talking out of your ass. Look at the quoted text you have there. See how I’m typing out the words “lower risk” and “very low risk”? This does not “insinuate” an “immunity”(still assuming it’s the popular usage) to stimulant adiction and, in fact, would have a built-in premise that there is some risk. Otherwise it would say “no risk”. I really don’t understand why you’re strawmanning my position by directly contradicting specifically quoted from me. That’s pretty fucking weird.
On top of that, let’s talk the rhetoric then. Could you clarify on what you mean by attacks? I’m not convinced that I’ve been attacking you(as opposed to your arguments). Also, pedantry? Really? I chose my words carefully and you still immediately misinterpreted me. I’m trying to communicate clearly, why is your interpretation/reaction to that an implied accusation of arrogance? And like, you’re ending your comment with an implication that I would plausibly disagree with caution and medical supervision for someone on medication? What the hell? Seriously, what’s happening here?
Okay don’t generalize. As a self medicated ADHD person I’ve picked up stimulants many times and dropped them many times with ease. Just because Neurotrypicals can’t handle their shit doesn’t mean we can’t.
What the parent comment is saying is true. I’m diagnosed and medicated for ADHD but struggled with a bad amphetamine addiction in my late teens. I’ve been clean for nearly a decade now but we don’t have some sort of superpower that frees us from from addiction, especially not from the physical aspects of it that OP specifically referred to. Do you think you wouldn’t get a week of headaches when quitting a pot of coffee a day?
Your comment is insulting, ignorant and genuinely upsetting as someone who went through absolute hell
I have tried so many stimulants and been on a chunky dose of methamphetamine and have at zero points in time felt any kind of urge to use stimulants for anything other than necessity or because of social situations. Literally physical or mental urges. I frequently forget to take my meds because there is zero withdrawal. A big part is that I don’t get high from stimulants, they slow my thoughts down. Cocaine as always calming for me so it was like trading places!
Since it is a spectrum I’m certain this isn’t true for everyone, but it really is a thing for a lot of us because we don’t react to stimulants like the average person.
I’m sorry but your personal life experience doesn’t overrule facts. Some people are more prone to addiction than others. Others are more resistant to certain chemicals, but nobody is fully immune regardless of amount and duration.
Anecdotes are insufficient to support something like this, sure. However, their experience does indeed match what the studies show. People with ADHD statistically have a lower risk of addiction when treated with stimulant medication. People with ADHD have very low risk of addiction to stimulant medication. This is what the studies show.
To understand drug response as varied levels of resistance is indeed the generally accepted characterization, however, I must once again contend with the addition of “regardless of amount and duration”. Drug response is actually highly dependent on both “amount and duration”. Adherence is a big problem for prescribing doctors, especially concerning things like antibiotics. There are plenty of people who discontinue an antibiotic schedule whenever they “feel better”, greatly increasing the risk of drug-resistant disease. The patient could then have no response upon a repeat infection, now being “fully immune” to the drug. It’s possible to take low enough doses of a drug/medication that the body metabolizes it before there could be any effect. It’s possible that someone’s genetic makeup means a common medication can have no effect. Especially with things like addiction, “amount and duration” can easily be the deciding factor. To disregard dosage and duration of usage for someone with increased risk for addiction is wildly irresponsible. To emphasize that increased addiction risk can make it to where the risk of abuse is elevated even for lower “normal” doses regardless of effect highlights a strong justification for abstinence altogether.
In any case, you’re very irresponsibly talking out of your ass.
100% but the qualifier is extremely important. You can get as verbose as you want, and you can continue to accuse me of “talking out my ass” all the while acknowledging my original point but what you are doing is dangerous. Insinuating that ADHD folk have a super power that makes them immune to addiction to stimulants is dangerous and irresponsible. I am politely asking you to reconsider your words and actions. Trying to win some sort of internet argument through attacks, pedantry, and ignoring the basic message being given is wrong. I am simply urging caution and medical supervision when on medication. If that is something you disagree with, feel free to block me.
You are absolutely talking out of your ass. Look at the quoted text you have there. See how I’m typing out the words “lower risk” and “very low risk”? This does not “insinuate” an “immunity”(still assuming it’s the popular usage) to stimulant adiction and, in fact, would have a built-in premise that there is some risk. Otherwise it would say “no risk”. I really don’t understand why you’re strawmanning my position by directly contradicting specifically quoted from me. That’s pretty fucking weird.
On top of that, let’s talk the rhetoric then. Could you clarify on what you mean by attacks? I’m not convinced that I’ve been attacking you(as opposed to your arguments). Also, pedantry? Really? I chose my words carefully and you still immediately misinterpreted me. I’m trying to communicate clearly, why is your interpretation/reaction to that an implied accusation of arrogance? And like, you’re ending your comment with an implication that I would plausibly disagree with caution and medical supervision for someone on medication? What the hell? Seriously, what’s happening here?