• Señor Mono@feddit.org
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    2 hours ago

    I disagree. There is happening a lot and detangling complex systems takes time.

    I don’t get why people think cold turkey diplomacy is beneficial for anyone. People have to plan 5-10 years for transitioning or accept hardship for the citizens, what results in problems by itself.

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      I never said anything about cold turkeys.

      But given that it indeed takes several years to transition an existing system urgency is needed. Every day we wait or half-heartedly do something it only takes longer and only creates more risk and long-term harm.

      As for hardship - we’re not exactly a poor continent. There’s a whole lot we can do to support people and even (small) companies were it needed.

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        This “urgently” and so forth… this hasty approach, leads to mentioned hardship and cold turkey.

        EU is already doing a lot, while appeasing. There’s a lot of investment in chip industry (e.g. RISC-V) happening and European companies like ASML are putting up against bullying. Communications and defense is more European than ever, e.g. with the frequency bands denied for SpaceX or big invests in Eutelsat…

        This is just a scratch but there are a lot of things going on. Enough things to read the room, if you’re willing to.

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          It’s fine to disagree but don’t make it like I said something I didn’t.

          When it comes to defence we are still spending the vast majority of our money on US weaponry rather than investing it into our own economies and helping our companies scale up. There’s a balance but the tilt is quite wrong at the moment and has been for decades. There’s no genuine effort into any kind of shared defence continent-wide (just ask Commissioner Kubilius).
          The US is ordering ASML to stop exports to China and we are willing to even engage with the US over this instead of just giving them the finger. ASML has an extremely powerful position.

          Everything we do is done with such fear of the US and to the degradation of Europe, even the steps towards our own independence are constantly cast in this light.

          I am not further engaging in this conversation given that you twice chose to read words I never wrote.

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            1 hour ago

            That’s just, how I read your text 🤷‍♂️

            And yes, it is fine to disagree.

            Defense is shifting largely, and many non-EU countries are following. I don’t see your criticism.