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Actually, I was praying for them to finish the vaccine. You’re welcome.
Jokes in you we prayed for societal collaboration and progress. Profit and capitalism seems like a major side effect though 😵💫
At the risk of being downvoted, religious laws were often used as methods of survival. Some groups bathed every so often, others had washing face as a rule, some didn’t ate pork or shellfish as they would rot really quickly, some would not kill cows because they would lose a long lasting source of rich in nutrients milk or simply the power to plough field thus increasing food production.
So religion didn’t cure anything miraculously but it sure helped the communities to survive and the scientific method took a while to be developed.
I’m an atheist but im also aware of the benefits religion had at some point. Remember that the guy that proposed washing hamds between autopsies and child birth was ridiculed.
Sorry for no funny haha :(
Jesus could’ve actually saved lives by telling people to wash their hands. Instead, we have this totally unnecessary blood sacrifice thing.
He could have also told people it’s not ok to own slaves.
But apparently that was just a step too far.
Pretty sure jews didn’t own slaves back then. It’s a given that the roman enslavers are evil.
You could not be more incorrect. The Bible is undeniably, explicitly pro-slavery. And Hebrews owned slaves (both Gentile slaves, and Hebrew slaves. Their own people. Classy).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21&version=ESV
20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
They Old Testament were rules for the Hebrews, and in it there are rules for how to treat your Hebrew slaves. Huh.
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave,[a] he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.
-Exodus 21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery
And the New Testament is no better. John tells slaves to obey their masters. And Jesus, despite being absolutely steeped in slave culture, never once had anything negative to say about it. Pretty damning. Tacit approval by omission, if you ask me.
The Jews owned slaves back then; they weren’t morally superior to the Romans in any way.
I was going to say religion is still necessary to control some people because there are some straight up sociopaths that only behave because of the fear of hell, but the fact that they totally believe they’re one of Jesus’ special little buddies makes me think that makes the issue even worse.
There is no evidence that this actually true. Religious leaders say this true, but then they turn around and cover atrocities that their religious underlings are doing, so they’re themselves are the counterpoint to their own bullshit.
Covid19 didn’t make the cut?
It is very much not eradicated.
Neither is measles.
…and?
Well, tetanus is on the list too, and that is definitely still around.
Chicken pox still exists.
Science is a social pursuit that shouldn’t be credited solely to some priestly class of “scientists”. How many people have prayed for the sick over the years? That’s a major foundation for public support of scientific research.
How many people have prayed for the sick over the years? That’s a major foundation for public support of scientific research.
If you pray for someone to recover from being sick, and they do, it wasn’t the prayer that healed them… They just… Got better. Like normal people sometimes do.
The prayer did nothing but fulfill your own delusions.
Now do which diseases were brought back by religious nut jobs
Is it only US where religious people are like “vaccines are satan” or do other countries have them as much?
I’ve seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there’s a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It dovetails well with scattered cultural prohibitions on anything to do with messing with the blood. No blood donations, no transfusions. Likely related to decades of HIV/AIDS concerns.
Edit: it’s also why a lot of polio vaccines are oral in Africa. Less stigma.
People in Africa have every reason to be suspicious of white men coming in and injecting them with shit.
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/medicine-empires-and-ethics-colonial-africa/2016-07
https://news.uoregon.edu/content/medical-researchers-africa-must-learn-past-prof-finds
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/4/8/medical-colonialism-in-africa-is-not-new
So yeah, it is frustrating to see when they push against things like vaccines, but it’s entirely understandable given the history of what has been done to these people again and again.
Oh, for sure. The way the British came in and told everyone to put their boobs away because it’s immodest, and use formula made with well water to give your baby diarrhea early and maybe kill it, just breathtakingly idiotic.
I’ve seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there’s a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
So it’s USA again. Usual bullshit colonialism.
Oh no, it’s locals that are JWs. But there’s plenty of non-JW cultural reasons that push the idea of no injections.
Did you really just ignore the entire second half of the comment? The JW folks just have a more coherent “it says no in this book” logic.
Ortodoxy is catching up, via fake podcast bro priests.
I grew up in the church, they will tell you that since a human(s) eradicated a disease, it was clearly god that worked through them. They always have a workaround bullshit answer
And a lot of the scientists are atheists, so it clearly doesn’t matter if they believe in god.
This is also true when Epsteiner auctions off a 13 year old
Yeah the omnipotent God bullshit breaks when a rainstorm floods a girls camp and kills a bunch of them. But then they claim the devil did it, or even victim blame in a creepy and fucked up way wondering if they were really pure Christians or not, or if there’s some mysterious upside or lesson.
Given that that were true; their god also created the disease and is responsible for all the suffering. Their god is still at a net negative.
Fucking-eh, he made every calamity that has befallen man, yet the shits still think it’s a “good” plan.
So existence is a net negative in your book? I’m fairly pessimistic but that seems somewhat extreme.
If that means those idiots at least get vaccinated then I will take that.
They can’t see a bad guy without trying to be them.
I mean if we accept the hypothesis that God exists, and that he created humans, he created them with a reason.
That reason? Kill off every living thing god created.
But didn’t he create it all for us though? Which then becomes a good excuse for us to consume it all.
I mean, we’re supposed to be stewards according to the teachings, but all those dumbass children hear is, “hey this is yours …” and just kinda space off the rest of everything said…
If God exists, I reckon we are a high school simulation project that he forgot and accidentally left running.
Sure, but the logic reveals literally nothing. I can create an entire Sims world for the sole reason to see if the “turn pink clothing in to green clothing” mod works. Does the fact that their existence had a reason actually mean a damn thing?
No, I wanted to say: “he created them with the ability to reason”
exactly, that’s why arguments like the one in this meme doesn’t work
No rationale argument works on the irrational. The goal is to plant the seeds of rational thought. To appeal to people who aren’t completely gone, yet. The meme works perfectly fine.
see, the thing is, they are not irrational. their logic (god works through humans) is completely self-consistent, they are just basing their logic on a different set of fundamentals than us. you can say that they are not scientific, you then would be completely correct. but they are not irrational, and that’s the difficult part of changing people’s mind.
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Number of times trans people knocked on my door to convincing me or my children into questioning my gender and changing it and my views on the topic, vs the number of religious people knock on my door to try to convince me that I’m living a life of sin, that my values are shit and that I’ll burn in hell unless I convert to their religion.
[feeling grateful for the gate at my housing complex.]
Too many people gloss over the fact how insane it is that some people genuinely believe non-believers burn forever in a magic post death torture world. Like how can someone think that while talking with someone, and be like, aw sucks for them, glad I submit to this ancient chain email creepypasta.
It still baffles me when I realize someone thinks like that.
Going to heaven is the ultimate nepo and gambler move. Either you are born with the right religion, or you guess and join the right one out of hundreds, or you burn forever.
I have been baffling over this very thing for many, many years. Always glad to see someone else put it into words as well.
RFK JR is obssesed with people getting MEASLES, he should know since he resulted in 86 samoan childrens death
Sadly, no religious person is going to be moved by that.
I prayed for god to eradicate or decimate those diseases, and he in his infinite wisdom created scientists to do so.
Checkmate atheists.
That’s what I don’t understand about creationists. If you believe god made everything, what’s wrong with believing God used evolution to do it? If the answer is “take the Bible literally”, well that doesn’t work because of all the shit in the Bible that they choose to ignore.
The premise of religion is designed to be bullet proof: god requires faith, don’t test god. It’s required that you have to believe it without proof. Why add things that are so far out there like “the devil/god made fossils as a trick to test your faith”?
Prayer heals disease by editing history. Of course you’re not aware of all the diseases it has cured!
Plenty of plagues started by religion, though.
