This is really the whole thing, regardless of how developed the baby is.
Imagine a fully formed child or adult with a liver problem. Science comes up with some way that someone of similar genetics can be physically connected to them and filter their blood for them and keep them alive while they wait for a transplant. Should the person who can physically sustain another person’s body be legally required to do so?
As to the “playing god” thing, I was actually quite amazed at how touchy the IVF doctors were about that issue. They had some interesting rules about what they would and wouldn’t tell the parents about the offspring options. I’d have to go ask my friends about it again for all of them, but I remember one of the rules was the doctors wouldn’t tell them the color of the eyes before choosing.
I believe that ethical doctors do this. I also believe there are some unethical doctors out there who don’t give a shit and allow their patients to select for all kinds of traits. Ultimately, there is no way to know unless someone talks about it.
My first challenge to you would be to go look into the eyes of infertile people and tell them that “not everyone deserves a child, it’s not a right, it’s a gift.”
It’s easy to argue on the internet behind your keyboard. Much much harder to say your shitty beliefs out loud in front of people.
Here is my second question for you. A hypothetical.
You are at a fertility clinic, and a fire breaks out. You run past a room almost engulfed by flames, and see a little 4-year-old child in there, screaming for help.
As you go to rescue this child, you notice that the other side of the room has hundreds of embryos in Petri dishes. Babies, according to your beliefs.
You only have time to save one of those things. A 4-year-old child or hundreds of babies.
I could and would say “Hey, I don’t think IVF is moral. I don’t think murder is justifiable.”
I do not have time to save hundreds of petri dishes at once. IVF is also immoral as it creates so many human persons and only chooses one to live. I call the fire department after saving the child and pocketing as many petri dishes as I can
You could and would, but have you? I can assure you you’ve met many people who were conceived via IVF. Have you told them their parents are murderers to their face? Again, it’s super easy to hold these beliefs behind a keyboard.
The hypothetical only allows you to save one of these things. The 4-year-old child or hundreds of embryos. Which do you save?
I will say that I actually have more respect for anti-choice people when they are also anti-IVF. At least you’re consistent, so there’s that.
What are your views on capital punishment? I hope they are consistent there too.
a bacterium is not equivalent to a human being
Fuck off
Pushing your stupid superstition ain’t changing anyone’s minds
A non-viable fetus is not equivalent to a baby.
define “non viable”
Non viable: adjective:
Nonviable:
”a nonviable fetus.”
“a nonviable idea.”
Source: The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition
Thanks for the definition
I think abortion is wholly different from getting a nonviable fetus removed as it cannot develop nor live
All fetuses are non-viable without being allowed parasitic access to the mother’s bodily resources.
This is really the whole thing, regardless of how developed the baby is.
Imagine a fully formed child or adult with a liver problem. Science comes up with some way that someone of similar genetics can be physically connected to them and filter their blood for them and keep them alive while they wait for a transplant. Should the person who can physically sustain another person’s body be legally required to do so?
So far, less invasive versions of this say no: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McFall_v._Shimp
You can’t even force dead bodies to donate organs.
all children are non viable without being allowed parasitic access to the parents resources
even the ones that are born
I wish you had dribbled down your mother’s thigh
You’re so boring
I am curious, how do you feel about IVF? Should infertile people get to do it? It destroys embryos in the process. And it’s “playing god.”
As to the “playing god” thing, I was actually quite amazed at how touchy the IVF doctors were about that issue. They had some interesting rules about what they would and wouldn’t tell the parents about the offspring options. I’d have to go ask my friends about it again for all of them, but I remember one of the rules was the doctors wouldn’t tell them the color of the eyes before choosing.
I believe that ethical doctors do this. I also believe there are some unethical doctors out there who don’t give a shit and allow their patients to select for all kinds of traits. Ultimately, there is no way to know unless someone talks about it.
https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/church-ivf-teaching-catholic-belief
My first challenge to you would be to go look into the eyes of infertile people and tell them that “not everyone deserves a child, it’s not a right, it’s a gift.”
It’s easy to argue on the internet behind your keyboard. Much much harder to say your shitty beliefs out loud in front of people.
Here is my second question for you. A hypothetical.
You are at a fertility clinic, and a fire breaks out. You run past a room almost engulfed by flames, and see a little 4-year-old child in there, screaming for help.
As you go to rescue this child, you notice that the other side of the room has hundreds of embryos in Petri dishes. Babies, according to your beliefs.
You only have time to save one of those things. A 4-year-old child or hundreds of babies.
Who do you save? Be honest.
You’ll never get a decent response from them
They’re stupid, and deep in their cult
I think they just come here because they have a humiliation fetish
I could and would say “Hey, I don’t think IVF is moral. I don’t think murder is justifiable.”
I do not have time to save hundreds of petri dishes at once. IVF is also immoral as it creates so many human persons and only chooses one to live. I call the fire department after saving the child and pocketing as many petri dishes as I can
I really haven’t. No one walks around telling people how they were conceived
If I only have two choices, I would choose the embryos, and keep them frozen until someone is ready to adopt them.
thanks
Capital Punishment and the overall construct of “punishment over rehabilitation” are bad.