Ok, but then we agree. even though we both would hope to not kill civilians or hate our oppressors, we acknowledge that the killing of civilians on October 7th and the heightened visibility of the genocide as an overreaction from Israel has helped their cause.
The only thing I am still waiting for is you naming me Palestinian terror attacks that you consider not being resistance, or in other words, motivated by antisemitism.
we acknowledge that the killing of civilians on October 7th and the heightened visibility of the genocide as an overreaction from Israel has helped their cause.
Yes to the latter half, no to the former. Frankly Israel is committing genocide out of principle (and to keep Netanyahu out of jail), not because they’re angry at the civilian deaths specifically. Even a “clean” October 7th would’ve drawn massive outrage from Israel and led to essentially what we’ve seen happen, because to Israelis the very fact of Palestinian resistance is offensive. Besides, in any case a significant fraction of Israeli civilian casualties is likely self-inflicted, so they’d have just pinned those on Hamas (as they did in real-life) and done their genocide anyway. “Commit war crimes if soldiers are taken prisoner” is literally Israeli doctrine, and arguably the current genocide is in large part the application of rhat doctrine on large scale, civilians or no civilians. What Israel absolutely doesn’t have is a “no first war crime” doctrine.
On the other hand, what a “clean” October 7th would’ve done is deny Israel international sympathy and create a real contrast between the genocidal IDF and their enemies, rather than muddying the waters by having both sides commit abhorrent war crimes (one orders of magnitude more than the other, obviously). It’s actually a massive missed opportunity in the PR war.
The only thing I am still waiting for is you naming me Palestinian terror attacks that you consider not being resistance, or in other words, motivated by antisemitism.
Uh… hating Jews? If it was resistance, it’d have been subjected to something resembling a cost-benefit analysis, and the conclusion would’ve been “this won’t help us at all and will actually probably hurt us let’s not do it.” These people aren’t dumb; they can do and have done things that actually hurt Israel (the Intifadas come to mind here), so any amount of thought would’ve led them to the obvious conclusion that bombing school children isn’t likely to be one of those things (and also, you know, that bombing school children is bad and they shouldn’t do it). Now to be clear, I’m not saying these attacks aren’t resistance because they target civilians (counterexample to that heuristic), but that they’re not resistance because if they were they’d pointless and be really fucking dumb. Again these people aren’t dumb, so up to a margin of error they must be antisemitic instead.
Ok, but then we agree. even though we both would hope to not kill civilians or hate our oppressors, we acknowledge that the killing of civilians on October 7th and the heightened visibility of the genocide as an overreaction from Israel has helped their cause.
The only thing I am still waiting for is you naming me Palestinian terror attacks that you consider not being resistance, or in other words, motivated by antisemitism.
Yes to the latter half, no to the former. Frankly Israel is committing genocide out of principle (and to keep Netanyahu out of jail), not because they’re angry at the civilian deaths specifically. Even a “clean” October 7th would’ve drawn massive outrage from Israel and led to essentially what we’ve seen happen, because to Israelis the very fact of Palestinian resistance is offensive. Besides, in any case a significant fraction of Israeli civilian casualties is likely self-inflicted, so they’d have just pinned those on Hamas (as they did in real-life) and done their genocide anyway. “Commit war crimes if soldiers are taken prisoner” is literally Israeli doctrine, and arguably the current genocide is in large part the application of rhat doctrine on large scale, civilians or no civilians. What Israel absolutely doesn’t have is a “no first war crime” doctrine.
On the other hand, what a “clean” October 7th would’ve done is deny Israel international sympathy and create a real contrast between the genocidal IDF and their enemies, rather than muddying the waters by having both sides commit abhorrent war crimes (one orders of magnitude more than the other, obviously). It’s actually a massive missed opportunity in the PR war.
I did so already, but sure.
You think what exactly was the reason for this palestinian attack, if not resistance?
Uh… hating Jews? If it was resistance, it’d have been subjected to something resembling a cost-benefit analysis, and the conclusion would’ve been “this won’t help us at all and will actually probably hurt us let’s not do it.” These people aren’t dumb; they can do and have done things that actually hurt Israel (the Intifadas come to mind here), so any amount of thought would’ve led them to the obvious conclusion that bombing school children isn’t likely to be one of those things (and also, you know, that bombing school children is bad and they shouldn’t do it). Now to be clear, I’m not saying these attacks aren’t resistance because they target civilians (counterexample to that heuristic), but that they’re not resistance because if they were they’d pointless and be really fucking dumb. Again these people aren’t dumb, so up to a margin of error they must be antisemitic instead.