Thatcher was being disingenuous because socialism involves “our money,” in which everyone works together for mutual benefit. Capitalism can’t function without other people’s labor being exploited and under-compensated. I want my taxes to help pay for a portion of things I couldn’t afford by myself and for it to benefit others because then I’m not being price gouged by others who are only demanding more because more is being demanded of them by the greediest among us.
Well, we can just print more money! That’s the solution for both capitalism and socialism, works every time.
Don’t worry, the predatory bankers that are appointed to the Fed are surely looking out for our best interests, they would never, ever abuse their positions for the benefit of JP Morgan or anything like that, don’t be silly
That’s how America is now currently $40 trillion in debt! Just shut up and keep printing!
Monetary shenanigans only seem like a good idea to people that don’t understand economics.
Actual economics is about the value of work. Fluctuations the the value of money don’t accomplish much. Consider Cuba which does all kinds of monetary shenanigans. People just do black market money deals to get around it. Capitalism finds a way.
Well Elon Musk’s companies directly employ roughly 150,000 to 160,000 people globally, Who do you employ?
The companies now being funded by the U.S. government, in other words the U.S. taxpayer, in other words, fucking me?
In other other words, I’m footing the bill for a limp-dicked wanna-be pedophile who’s not only not from my country, but can pay to take control of it whenever he wants?
This country, and Elon musk specifically, fucking sucks donkey dicks.
And all the money will start trickling down any day now!
why do you need money?
if money disappeared, the workers would still be there, the factories would still be there, there’d still be trucks and ships and oil and houses and crops and whatever else sustains our existence.
you’d think if humans were as smart as they claim they are they’d come up with a solution that doesn’t involve paper and credit and oppression.
i think your average person would be totally willing to put in 20 hours a week pumping shit out of septic tanks if they spent the other hours chilling and just doing whatever.
As someone who puts in 40 hours a week in an office job that barely pays enough for me to get by… as long as that septic job pays well enough, sure I’d give it the old college try
The number of things I can tolerate and even enjoy at 20 hours a week is a gigantic, frankly kinda boundless list, while that same question at 40, let alone 60+ hours…that list is tiny.
Really feels like a huge tragedy, to add to all the more direct kinds, the way we destroy our ability to enjoy our time.
Isn’t Capitalism just Socialism for billionaires?
Yes, its about time the billionaires money was spent on socialism until it runs out.
A K shaped economy is a broken economy.
The top of that K is all the money that should have been spent in the middle and the bottom, but was hoarded instead.
Neoliberalism has destroyed demand. At long last it’s finally done. Now they are complaining about China’s overcapacity.
China is bringing the developing countries into the 21st Century with it, something that the West refused to do while they had the chance. So it’s not overcapacity, it’s just that the West isn’t the exclusive consumer.
Damn bro we spent all the billionaires money on public works and social security and now we don’t have any more billionaires and everyone is better off. What fools we’ve been.
Thatcher, like any capitalist dickhead, is a liar and malignant.
Was. Thankfully.
If you’re English you can literaly go piss on her grave.
Sadly it’s guarded and cameras
People tried, they got arrested
I vote that we create the Thatcher Urinary Fund to pay for the defense of people who go urinate on her grave.
Yes! We should!
If a bunch of teens can speed run through Scientology buildings and Naruto run through area 51…
What I’m trying to say is I think it’s a lack of motivation
Like, actual human guards? Wow, right down there on the worst job ever list. As far as crimes go, tried to piss on Thatchers grave is something to frame for posterity. Gonna guess someone got away with it, hence the guards (maybe bribeable?) but thanks for the reality check.
Specifically it’s cause she’s buried in a convent graveyard
Hmmfh, in what way was she a nun? But thanks for the info.
They check your nationality at admission?
Or if you’re there on vacation
Was, thankfully.
Thatcher said that with 0 irony as she defunded public hospitals to get replaced by charity from rich child rapist Jimmy Sevile
Don’t worry, Jim will fix it.
Go back into the history of capitalism, and every “scare” that capitalists use to maintain the system as is, happens under capitalism. The irony being that most capitalists see the end results of their greed and project it onto other systems.
Every accusation is an admission.
It’s so funny, because only one of those two systems is designed to invest back into itself. The other is a zero sum siphon that perfectly embodies what she described.
Exactly. When I thought of it (not in the shower lol), I was like waiiiiit…
Spiderman pointing at spiderman dot jpeg
“eventually you run out of other people”
Incidentally, this is why they are pushing so hard for robots/AI to do what they need. Capitalism/money is nothing more than a complicated and thinly veiled facade for the power to make people do what they don’t want to do. It is NOTHING more than that
The people that say this live in a country that’s $40t in debt
That famously American Margaret Thatcher
It’s happening everywhere, even if Americans seem to believe only America exists lol
$40t in debt
In debt to whom?
It’s something of a joke to talk about credit expansion in a closed economic loop. Especially when the loop tightens and you end up with…
If I owe you a million dollars and you owe me a million dollars dollars, are we collectively $2M in debt?
We’re entirely too zeroed in on the fictitious credit balances and totally divorced from real material conditions. How many labor hours are we spending? How much of our fossil fuel energy reserve have we committed? What is the growth/contraction rate of potable water and arable land?
I don’t really give a shit about $40T in IOUs. I care about the actual managed decline of the capital stock. The actual number of skilled laborers in a given profession. The long-term burn-down of natural resources relative to our ability to conserve, recycle, and reproduce them.
debt to blackrock, vanguard, china, Japan and US citizens mostly
You’re right to highlight the decline of tangible assets like skilled labor, value chains and natural resources, but I think you’re conflating the circular borrowing (and spending) between tech companies with the US Government’s ability to pay back their debts. The tech companies are using circular relationships to inflate their nominal revenue, but the US government actually owes money in a linear fashion. (And as you pointed out, the government has destroyed much of its domestic production capacity for the long term, with energy perhaps being the most worrying resource to have been squandered).
The biggest problem is that the interest on the public debt adds about $1T per year, which means that 19% of all federal revenue (or 39% of individual income taxes) is needed just to pay off the interest.
It is true that the Government could just essentially print money to wipe out their debts to domestic lenders, and that’s roughly 3/4 of the money that the government owes. But that would lead to massive inflation, and it leaves approximately $10T in foreign-held debt. Historically, the USA has been able to use the position of the USD as the global reserve currency to offload its inflation on the rest of the world (see how Europe stagnated after the 2008 subprime mortgage crash in the USA, or for that matter look at Japan).
But the USD is now losing its position as the reserve currency. Foreign governments are selling off US treasuries. Foreign pension funds are selling off US stocks. The US is becoming increasingly isolated even to former close allies, and it is no longer seen as a safe place to park money. So if the government tries Quantitative Easing or any similar measure that has worked in the past, that inflation won’t be readily absorbed by the US’s allies, and it’s the US public that will have their investments and pensions wiped.
They talk about the government debt, not nvidia or something.
NVIDIA alone bolds $191B in US treasuries. So that’s money the US effectively owes NVIDIA.
What do we want to bet NVIDIA’s tax liabilities are for this year?
Yeah but they are not indebted like a govt like you showed in your first post. I hate how stupid that circular “borrowing” is, but it has nothing to do with usa govt borrowing. NVidia are lending, and can choose to sell it off if/when they want to. The usa govt cannot sell off its debt if that makes sense.
they are not indebted like a govt
No. They’re much worse off, as they don’t control their own currency or have sovereignty within their own borders.
I hate how stupid that circular “borrowing” is, but it has nothing to do with usa govt borrowing.
Governments (ostensibly) borrow money to provide economy-growing amenities and economy-preserving hedges against adversity. All of these loans can be described as investments, with an ROI tied back to national GDP growth and liabilities mitigation. The circular debt patterns of these mega-corps have a similar rationale. Oracle, NVIDIA, and OpenAI are effectively partners in a project to create a value-adding service. Their debt is an accounting tool to allocate future profits, not a drag on their economic activity. Just the opposite. Credit expansion allowed a party to bring more natural, capital, and labor resources to bare in a shorter time frame, in order to obtain profits sooner than otherwise.
NVidia are lending, and can choose to sell it off if/when they want to.
To whom?
Nobody else is in the business of producing microprocessors at this scale. NVIDIA extends the loans entirely to incentivize OpenAI to consume more compute, which incentivizes Oracle to build more data centers, which incentivizes NVIDIA to produce more chipsets.
Who else would want this debt? It doesn’t serve the same economic end-goal. Who else would have enough currency to assume the debt?
Yes, and that has already happened. That is why the richest have switched to the source of all money: The government.
