I would rather liberals don’t have a revolution, last thing I want is more liberalism
Liberal revolution be like:
If you want revolutionary action:
- Start or contribute to a community garden
- Help round up unused meds to distribute to people in need
- Help with Food Not Bombs
- Donate clothing and other goods
- Stop buying needless shit
- Pirate everything; subscribe to nothing
- Donate school supplies
- Tear down and disable Flock cameras
- Attend public forums and speak up to your local officials
Revolution is never going to be one big action or event that kicks off. Not like the movies try to convey it. It’s a collective rejection of things we have control over—most of which involve our wallets.
You wanna vote? Vote. Don’t want to? Don’t. The reality and the thing that folks need to grasp is that the ruling class will never let you vote away their power. Argue all day long; it doesn’t matter. It’s a fact. You can either sit around wishing you had the power to flip a switch, or you can do things on a local level to help those in need.
Buy guns and learn to use them
I’d also add joining a revolutionary party.
Yo this meme got people talking 😂😂
Yo OP what is your idea of revolution though?
Is it riots in the streets? Hunting down the elites? Or maybe just voting far left? Please help these liberals figure out how to save this country. No idea is a bad one after all!
Revolution is the overthrow of the old state apparatus and the creation of a new state for the new ruling class, the working class. The tactics of revolution vary depending on the country and conditions, time in the movement, etc, but the overall strategy requires an organized revolutionary class and the replacement of the old state with a new one.
Revolution is the overthrow of one class by another. What occurred in France, Russia, and a number of anti-colonial national liberation struggles throughout the global south for instance. The OP is of course being facetious (can’t blame them, Americans are frustrating in their servitude and passivity despite what’s unfolding), revolution doesn’t occur unless the material conditions are conducive to mass disobedience on that scale. The problem is that liberals are trying to funnel the disillusionment and contain it in hopes of dissipating the revolutionary moment in order to get back to their usual business of putting a human face on America’s domination and hostility in South America, Asia, and Africa as the “Good Cop” to the Republican’s “Bad Cop”.
Revolution is the culmination of the difficult work of building a new society. It is not, as most of us who grew up movie-brained were taught to believe, a call of duty mission
Same applies to modern protest. A big rule of thumb for this shit is: Can the evil leaders ignore what you’re doing? If so, they will. If you cry about how there should be “no kings;” you’re essentially hoping that the worst people on earth suddenly develop a conscience, hear your plea, and correct all of the bad things they’ve done. No, they’ll just ignore it. Here are some disruptions to the status quo that they can’t ignore:
- The economy (go on strike, protest on weekdays, don’t be orderly, in-fact, be a total nuisance to the day-to-day operations in a city - preferably a “high value” location)
- The panopticon (ruin the surveillance state - protest the cameras, protest the data centers (also helps the last point), protest the infrastructure that these things rely on)
- Their livelyhood (protest where they live. And there’s plenty to choose from; the shear number of people whose decisions actively fuck your life is astounding)
Just remember: don’t harm anyone or anything. Protest them. Got it? Good.
Joining a union or creating one is one of the most subversive things one can do in this day and age. Propaganda for unions is very effective at leveraging the class schism in favour of workers/socialism.
Just don’t a union that advocates creating large weaponry or represents law enforcement/servants of the state.
Proper unionising makes capitalists piss their pants. I have read a ton about politics (to my detriment – rip mental health) and it seems to really give you the most bang for your buck.
Unions are good, but you also need a political party that can go beyond trade unionism into an all-sided class struggle.
I would tend to agree on the class party aspect, but as with anything there is an outward motion. The most effective struggle doesn’t start at the higher levels of abstraction. Egoism comes first, not in the Stirnerian sense, where people make sure they are not deported by ice, where military service is eschewed, where when arrested the fifth amendment is kept in mind. The next stage would be tenant unions, trade unions, more organised forms of struggle. Then education, reading circles, discussions, talks and so on. I see the party as the capstone of all of these working class interests. Ultimately it becomes the expression of our species’ interest towards the end of class struggle.
Ultimately, without a party, unions retain their present level of struggle. This means they are highly localized around their own interests, and not the interests of the working class as a whole. This is why a party is necessary to begin with, so that unions can be more militant, connected, and disciplined from the beginning. No time is too early for a party.
Where I am from there are like 8 different leftists parties laying claim to the same chunk of people. There will be one big and relevant party in the end, but getting there has the danger of a bajillion parties competing and creating noise rather than directed struggle. XKCD standards meme
Sure, that’s why having a clear and correct party line is important.
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That’s how it’s always been, look at pre-revolutionary russia same there.
I get what you are saying, the Russian revolution was a success despite sharing a feature that was a great hindrance. I think though that saying “X has always been like this” has a somewhat ahistorical quality to it. There is simply no good knowledge of the future.
don’t harm anyone or anything
Okay and when they just decide you are enough of a nuisance that they decide to start killing and disappearing your organizers (which is the stage we have been at for like a century in the US) then what?
Pure nonviolence is a great way to get yourself killed.
Read between the lines man, this is a public forum and the surveillance state is real. There’s obvious sarcasm and word stand-ins. I’m not gonna spell it out for you.
Okay but that last sentence is unnecessary in that case. Just what you posted is enough to have you labeled a terrorist agitator.
It shouldn’t be all that surprising that liberals choose to continue to participate in liberal democracy. It’s their system. They want to see it maintained, they don’t want to see it dismantled or replaced. They like things the way they are, more or less, and they don’t want to see things radically change.
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I don’t want that change either, but I think the right kind of change is not only acceptable, it’s absolutely necessary. I don’t think liberals should be expected to embrace just any change - like change that would make things worse - but they should be open to positive changes, even if those changes seem relatively “radical.”
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Do you think we support either part of the USian uniparty in general?
As an immigrant, go fuck yourself.
Please explain.
Being a member of some or other group doesn’t automatically make you right. This is no different to a Republican substituting a coherent political or philosophical argument with “As a straight white Christian male, I have this opinion and you can’t question it”.
This is how Trump got elected a second time.
And for the record, those of you who didn’t vote are the ones truly responsible for this shit. Fuck you and the ivory tower you stand on.
By all means, organize a revolution. But do damage control now and fucking vote instead of letting things get far worse before that can happen
No, it isn’t. Trump got elected the second time because the DNC alienated their traditional voter base by failing to stop supporting genocide and failing to promise necessary change. Leftists protesting did not significantly influence the election, but a failure to galvanize the voterbase did.
Trump got elected again because Dems couldn’t stop alienating demographic groups that have traditionally been strongly democratic in voting patterns. Did you really think it was smart to appeal to neo-cons and alienate centre-left voters?
Schrodinger’s leftist, simultaneously too irrelevant to be worth making any concessions to and also solely responsible for whether the democrats lose the election.
“By all means, build a house. But do damage control and fucking let us burn your lumber for warmth now and continuously into the future, thus ensuring you will never finish the house”
Oh really, so Trump getting elected a second time is the fault of a group with zero political representation in America?
What a dumb fucking take.
Those damn commies ruined everything again.
How dare those commies, who aren’t even part of the Democratic Party’s base, fail the Democrats again?
no, trump got elected precisely because of shits like you. trump exists because bluemaga bullshit keep doing their shit of allowing more and more the right wingers. trump is a direct consequence of the uselessness of the bluemaga fascists. trump exists because the international policy of blue and red maga are fucking indistinguishable. the same fucking policy of killing brown people, of stealing, bullying, mafia behaviour. fucking own your fucking shit. it’s much worse you’re not even owning your shit for people outside your fucking fascist empire, we are the ones that suffer the most. not you inside the empire. fucking stop believing in the fucking fairy tale of voting the fascists out, you aint doin fukcing shit but to continously expect nothing of politicians because “its the most important election of our times” and anything is better than the redmaga. then bluemaga just becomes even more fascist than what it is. then redmaga even more. fucking organize, fucking read marxist literature. fucking stop believing cia propaganda. fucking go fuck yourself.
Nobody is rebelling. Nobody. Not LIBRULS, not readicals, communists, anarchists, not even fucking nazis, which are just vice-signalling their limp dicks waiting for the result of not even fucking complaining at all. Definitely not OP, who just posts this shit and probably feels smug.
Do you want a revolution? Start it. Do something revolutionary. Risk being put it jail or being killed, which is what happens in revolutions. Or shut the fuck up, because even voting is doing more than nothing.
The only person doing something revolutionary in liberal countries in recent years is Luigi. And he has the balls to admit that he did it. Beyond that, any other protest has been much closer to voting than to an uprising.
Adventurism isn’t revolution, it’s a refusal to study theory before taking action. I will never condemn Luigi but to claim his actions were revolutionary fails to explain how they meaningfully gained worker power.
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Adventurism is not revolution.
Nothing happening right now is revolution.
Revolution has never happened
You might be the only one ever to think that.
No it’s true, no revolution has ever happened and everyone who ever thought they did one was wrong. Nobody is a revolutionary and there is no hope of ever becoming one, leaving us with no path but to do nothing and contribute only hopeless navel gazing. I am a very serious communist.
Strikes have given you basically every working right you currently have, if that’s what doing nothing then I don’t know what to say.
A strike currently is not revolutionary. And still not happening widely anyways.
Strikes are more revolutionary than adventurism, and historically have succeeded far more than simple assassination at getting concessions. They are also practice and discipline for actual revolution.
Striking is the bread and butter of revolutionary activity. The February revolution in Russia was a mass strike that escalated to a point the state could no longer control it. What do you think revolutionary activity looks like?
You are right, people are striking less now than they used to which is a major reason why things are getting worse: cost of living increasing, wages stagnating, the rich getting richer etc.
We need to unite as workers and strike, not vote, for the conditions we deserve.
Of course it is. And that’s what I am pointing at. Any improvements happening right now due to organizing and striking are limited to specific industries and don’t ripple outside of it. For it to be revolutionary, it must be as you say massive, encompassing several/all industries and beyond control. We are so far from that situation, that I cannot accept current moves as revolutionary. Good and necessary, don’t get me wrong, but not revolutionary.
risk being locked up revolutionary. lmao bro, you libs don’t even have the slightest idea what the fuck true political organization means. you mfs believe revolution is a one man call of duty mission. the gringo states is truly the most backward brainwashed nation on earth.
What? No revolutionary has ever been locked up?
And political organization is not revolution. It might lead towards it, but it definitely isn’t, so until somebody does start something up, stop deriding others for what you yourself are not doing.
did i say that? no
political organization is way more relevant and actually does something. voting who bourgeois is going to fuck you in the ass with blue or red paint does absolutely nothing but to legitimize your fascist empire.
Still the post talks about revolution and none of those actions are revolutionary. Had it said organize against the current system, it might ring true. And stop pinning things on me you have absolutely no idea about.
who told you we aren’t?
you are the ones who keep complaining when our action inconveniences you in the slightest.
Dude, if your action is an inconvenience, it is not revolutionary.
if my action changes nothing, how do you expect it to change anything??
I don’t.
This is propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout so the oligarchs can remain in control
Capitalists retain control whether the DNC or GOP is in power, the only thing that changes is which faction of capitalists is currently in charge.
It’s not about the wealthiest 0.5%, the oligarchs as you’d call them. All of this revolves around the struggle against capitalism. Workers (about 60 to 70% of society depending on the definition and employment rates) against the bourgeoisie (~15% including petit bourgeoisie).
Yeah man, the oligarchs really give a shit which of their figureheads you vote for in the elections they control.
Which viable party in the duopoly isn’t controlled by Oligarchs?
you cannot vote someone who isn’t an oligarch my brother. that’s the whole point of bourgeois “”“”“democracy”“”"
This is propaganda that correctly identifies they already are in control and won’t let you vote them away.
Pull your head out of the sand ffs.
I don’t give a fuck if you vote. Commit voter fraud and cast a thousand votes for all I care. Just DO MORE THAN THAT. It IS NOT ENOUGH ON ITS OWN.
Of course they’re also a Russiagate liberal lmao. So which is it @crispbacon99@lemmy.zip? Is voting the most important thing ever or our elections are captured by the Eurasia hordes.
You are so fuckin blinded by your own western chauvinism you can’t even be consistent.
why is it with y’all that something you disagree with is never just a bad take, but always some grand conspiracy?
- i promise you the oligarchs do not give a shit about influencing the 1000 monthly active users on this network
- they’d find it much more fruitful to influence the only opposition party instead, and. okay sit with me for a second. i have some bad news for you.
Not if you choose the Democratic socialist that establishment democrats are fighting against
Demsocs are social democrats who still do not understand that you cannot reform capitalism into socialism.
The function of DSA is to capture and dissipate the revolutionary moment, ultimately to maintain the imperial and zionist status quo. The fact that Mamdani hasn’t followed through on any of his supposed “anti-zionism” should be wake up call that there is no salvation to be found in democratic party entryism.
