more people die during America’s Halloween celebrations per year than have been killed by Chinese police, in the entire country, in the same time period
Ok. Do you think China is not an authoritarian state? I believe they are for reasons such as their social credit system and their game console bans that went for like 15 years and banning any games that would allow user generated political content and any political opposition will land you in a camp.
their game console bans that went for like 15 years and banning any games that would allow user generated political content
Entirely logical and reasonable thing to do (to shut down a massive pipe of information warfare) when faced with the most prolific and pervasive intelligence and propaganda apparatus in history who wishes nothing but for the destruction of your people.
and any political opposition will land you in a camp.
Untrue. Also using camp instead of prison to evoke concentration camp imagery and attempt to liken the Chinese government and Chinese people to Nazis is disgusting and you should be ashamed.
Ok. Call it prison then. Same issue. Also, what would happen if you said on social media that you thought the tiananmen square massacre was an atrocity?
Also, if you don’t feel it’s an authoritarian government, what do you call it?
*Edit: I forgot to ask. The videogame thing. What country are you referring to here? Since games were coming out of many different countries and most of the consoles were out of Japan. Who exactly there is your enemy? And if all of it was to block propaganda and misinformation from other countries, that implies that China was the only source of information you were allowed to know of growing up? You don’t feel like that was oppressive at all?
Also, what would happen if you said on social media that you thought the tiananmen square massacre was an atrocity?
Literally nothing. Discussion and much more intense criticism of the Deng Xiaoping government’s handling of the June 4th incident exists on xiaohongshu.
Are you really so daft that you believe people are getting thrown in prison for internet comments? They simply delete the garbage.
Virtually every Chinese person has access to a VPN. The government does not care. Because the goal isn’t total control over the information sphere, but rather to make Facebook slow and inconvenient enough that you decide to use Weibo instead. The western internet is blocked as industrial policy to advantage native Chinese companies and prevent the west from having algorithmic dominance over the information sphere of the Chinese public.
If you believe that the government is seriously concerned about Chinese people being exposed to a typical reddit anti-china circlejerk, it is you who has fallen for the propaganda. How would China be able to handle students studying abroad coming home after being enlightened?
It’s not because it doesn’t happen please read what I said before replying.
Also, what would happen if you said on social media that you thought the tiananmen square massacre was an atrocity?
Nothing usually maybe your post might get removed if you stray too far from criticism towards spreading nonsense. (Oh the horror I know).
Also, if you don’t feel it’s an authoritarian government, what do you call it?
A government. Authoritarian is a meaningless pejorative used mainly by white liberals to denote country they don’t like. All modern governments are “authoritarian” in that they wield power to enforce laws etc.
The videogame thing. What country are you referring to here?
Very obviously the US and it’s vassals.
Since games were coming out of many different countries and most of the consoles were out of Japan. Who exactly there is your enemy?
Most of Europe and Japan are for all intents and purposes US vassals (especially Japan). The US has been trying to undermine and destroy modern China for decades through propaganda attacks as well as actions such as funding terrorists.
And if all of it was to block propaganda and misinformation from other countries, that implies that China was the only source of information you were allowed to know of growing up?
I see where the problem is. You decided to equate me saying China is an authoritarian state to me also saying that the US is not an authoritarian state.
The “social credit system” is not real. It just doesn’t exist, nobody can point to any concrete policy or framework regarding it because it’s just a fabrication of the west based on intentional misinterpretations and fabrications
Nah, it was a real, short-lived series of experiments each of which was implemented as a series of penalized actions typically exclusive to a city or province, none of which lasted more than two years or prevented citizens from accessing public utilities. Enforcement relied on usually elderly volunteers reporting violations. This was notoriously unreliable and caused more disputes than it resolved, so the central government legally outlawed the systems they recommended be implemented and trialed by provincial or city governments.
Still, many Chinese people clamour for this to be returned and expanded upon. Mostly people annoyed with litering, theft, scams, and other behaviors that are already illegal, but frequently violated.
What remains today is basically a credit score for business owners and executives that also accounts for causing public harm. More or less it is a cumulative punishment for fraud, forging tax or safety data, violating environmental or labor regulations, and giving predatory interest rates or loan conditions. Think of it as a supplemental penalty for losing civil suits or violating the law where the punishment is typically a fine. Makes it so businesses cannot eat the fine because their profit exceeds the legal penalty.
What westerners believe is a complete fabrication, one that is frequently mocked on Chinese social media.
I’m aware that some cities had systems of penalizing and rewarding small actions years ago. I’m under the impression those were not directly tied to the court’s ability to restrict business owners who defraud the public, refuse to pay back loans, and the restrictions they can put on people who refuse to pay court fines. But either way, thats what I meant by intentional misinterpretations in the west. The things that existed and still exist in China are nothing at all like the draconian citizen-score that determines everything, which Western media and politicians have dreamt up. I appreciate your comment expanding upon this though, we are generally of one mind here.
The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
I mean… It is tho.
more people die during America’s Halloween celebrations per year than have been killed by Chinese police, in the entire country, in the same time period
GOATed stat. Do you have a reference for this that I can rub in the faces of chuds?
Spirit Halloween is also authoritarian. Two things can be bad at once.
please elaborate. Let’s have a conversation about this and better understand each other
Ok. Do you think China is not an authoritarian state? I believe they are for reasons such as their social credit system and their game console bans that went for like 15 years and banning any games that would allow user generated political content and any political opposition will land you in a camp.
Thing that isn’t real.
Entirely logical and reasonable thing to do (to shut down a massive pipe of information warfare) when faced with the most prolific and pervasive intelligence and propaganda apparatus in history who wishes nothing but for the destruction of your people.
Untrue. Also using camp instead of prison to evoke concentration camp imagery and attempt to liken the Chinese government and Chinese people to Nazis is disgusting and you should be ashamed.
Ok. Call it prison then. Same issue. Also, what would happen if you said on social media that you thought the tiananmen square massacre was an atrocity?
Also, if you don’t feel it’s an authoritarian government, what do you call it?
*Edit: I forgot to ask. The videogame thing. What country are you referring to here? Since games were coming out of many different countries and most of the consoles were out of Japan. Who exactly there is your enemy? And if all of it was to block propaganda and misinformation from other countries, that implies that China was the only source of information you were allowed to know of growing up? You don’t feel like that was oppressive at all?
Literally nothing. Discussion and much more intense criticism of the Deng Xiaoping government’s handling of the June 4th incident exists on xiaohongshu.
Are you really so daft that you believe people are getting thrown in prison for internet comments? They simply delete the garbage.
Virtually every Chinese person has access to a VPN. The government does not care. Because the goal isn’t total control over the information sphere, but rather to make Facebook slow and inconvenient enough that you decide to use Weibo instead. The western internet is blocked as industrial policy to advantage native Chinese companies and prevent the west from having algorithmic dominance over the information sphere of the Chinese public.
If you believe that the government is seriously concerned about Chinese people being exposed to a typical reddit anti-china circlejerk, it is you who has fallen for the propaganda. How would China be able to handle students studying abroad coming home after being enlightened?
It’s not because it doesn’t happen please read what I said before replying.
Nothing usually maybe your post might get removed if you stray too far from criticism towards spreading nonsense. (Oh the horror I know).
A government. Authoritarian is a meaningless pejorative used mainly by white liberals to denote country they don’t like. All modern governments are “authoritarian” in that they wield power to enforce laws etc.
Very obviously the US and it’s vassals.
Most of Europe and Japan are for all intents and purposes US vassals (especially Japan). The US has been trying to undermine and destroy modern China for decades through propaganda attacks as well as actions such as funding terrorists.
It doesn’t imply that at all.
No. It was an entirely reasonable action.
Quick question: what’s your credit score according to EquiFax (a privately held company)?
Ah.
I see where the problem is. You decided to equate me saying China is an authoritarian state to me also saying that the US is not an authoritarian state.
“i oppose authoritarianism, which is why I feel compelled to remind everyone that the enemies of NATO are also bad”
The “social credit system” is not real. It just doesn’t exist, nobody can point to any concrete policy or framework regarding it because it’s just a fabrication of the west based on intentional misinterpretations and fabrications
Nah, it was a real, short-lived series of experiments each of which was implemented as a series of penalized actions typically exclusive to a city or province, none of which lasted more than two years or prevented citizens from accessing public utilities. Enforcement relied on usually elderly volunteers reporting violations. This was notoriously unreliable and caused more disputes than it resolved, so the central government legally outlawed the systems they recommended be implemented and trialed by provincial or city governments.
Still, many Chinese people clamour for this to be returned and expanded upon. Mostly people annoyed with litering, theft, scams, and other behaviors that are already illegal, but frequently violated.
What remains today is basically a credit score for business owners and executives that also accounts for causing public harm. More or less it is a cumulative punishment for fraud, forging tax or safety data, violating environmental or labor regulations, and giving predatory interest rates or loan conditions. Think of it as a supplemental penalty for losing civil suits or violating the law where the punishment is typically a fine. Makes it so businesses cannot eat the fine because their profit exceeds the legal penalty.
What westerners believe is a complete fabrication, one that is frequently mocked on Chinese social media.
I’m aware that some cities had systems of penalizing and rewarding small actions years ago. I’m under the impression those were not directly tied to the court’s ability to restrict business owners who defraud the public, refuse to pay back loans, and the restrictions they can put on people who refuse to pay court fines. But either way, thats what I meant by intentional misinterpretations in the west. The things that existed and still exist in China are nothing at all like the draconian citizen-score that determines everything, which Western media and politicians have dreamt up. I appreciate your comment expanding upon this though, we are generally of one mind here.
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